poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
And I don't consider that to be "a good thing" or inevitable.
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And I don't consider that to be "a good thing" or inevitable.
You really are so deluded as to actually think that?
I would bet that when (or indeed if) you first came out with this bollocks they marked you down as someone they wouldn't want in a position with any responsibility anyway.
As long as you're happy staying where you are while others younger and more inexperienced than you are now gradually become your manager and progress nicely then its each to their own I suppose.
Make friends with the photocopier, am sure you'll be working with it a lot over the coming years
I sort of see where you're coming from. Though as ever, you put an idiosyncraticly pesamistic spin on it. Not all supervisory roles are about keeping peple in line. Sometimes it's just sensible devision of tasks and organisation. It probably does depend on the particular type of work or company though. I've not had varied enough work experience to totally refute or agree with your view.
Oh, that makes it OK then.Stuff trying to change anything for the better - let's just embrace the dog-eat-dog shitdom of the 21st century.
if you think holding yourself back in life is 'showing solidarity' with your co-workers who probably couldn't give a fly fuck about any of that crap when push came to shove - what with humans being pretty selfish and all, is going to change the world, then good luck eh.
i bet most of them would take a 10% payrise even if they knew you were only getting 5%.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
In posternumbers' mind, there is some kind of superefficient immediate brainwash if somebody gets promoted from the very lowest rung of a corporate ladder, whereby they switch instantaneously from good, solid, brother-worker to odious, untrustworthy manager. They become a completely different person, with different aims, different loves and laughs and different attitudes to life and their fellow man.
Leave him. It comforts him to not have to answer to his own inadequacies.
Leave him. It comforts him to not have to answer to his own inadequacies.
can you run 100m in sub 10 seconds or develop a new theory in the world of physics.
safe.
zenie
>^^<
No it's not, my Mum's just gone up a grade, she works for DEFRA, she's nearly 60 and is hardly the 'clambering type'
Spoken like a true boss.
I'm not a boss
Here's your thread about your poor performance sorry I mean 'overloaded with work' that you didn't start BTW.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=250498
You've been caught out, you may as well admit it.
Case closed.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I am fully aware of all that. Just because everyone else is buying into that nasty crap doesn't make it right or something that I wish to be a part of.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Here's your thread about your poor performance sorry I mean 'overloaded with work' that you didn't start BTW.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=250498
You've been caught out, you may as well admit it.
Case closed.
That thread was hypothetical and pertaining to typical scenarios of other people I'd coem across.
Still curious as to how not wanting to join the management makes me crap at my current job, btw.
well that's your choice.
it's your 6th form politics analysis of management and people motivation etc that gets on my nerves, it's just palpably not true in the way you present it.
Kabbes put it better than i can tbh.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Make friends with the photocopier, am sure you'll be working with it a lot over the coming years
I've met photocopiers with more humanity and with better personalities than certain managers I could mention. I'd rather share a pint with said photopier machines, tbh.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Well looks like you're in luck then. Everybody's happy. That's an ending I can certainly get behind.
Spot on.
Where I work people start off as a junior as I did as they haven't the experience to deal with more complex tasks.
They learn "on the job" and then get promoted to a more management level where they help to train the new juniors who are carrying out basic work while freeing themselves up to do more complex tasks.
Then they get promoted agiain and leave those tasks to the juniors who have now have juniors of their own to teach.
Not all jobs are production lines where anybody can do the job of anyone else, some things need years of experience.
fwiw posternumbers some of the best managers i've worked for have started at the bottom and worked there way up through there careers. they are much less likely to be divorced from the day to day realities of what people lower down an organisation do.
if i'd only ever worked for 'graduate trainee' types who just parachute in at a certain management level and have very little experience of what a job entails i'd be more inclined to agree.
and i've worked in manual and office jobs.
if i'd only ever worked for 'graduate trainee' types who just parachute in at a certain management level and have very little experience of what a job entails i'd be more inclined to agree.
and i've worked in manual and office jobs.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I find the very worst ones are often the newly-promoted (to one micro-grade above you) jumped up tinpot tryants on a power trip. They feel they've somehow "earned" a right to treat you like a serf.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
That's cleaver. Bet you'll be sniggering into your pillow all night at your own funniness.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Well, you know what they say. Cleaver is as cleaver does.
You speak as if you've had dozens of jobs and met hundreds of managers. Which I sincerely doubt is that case.
i really think you should move jobs!
or get rid of that chip from your shoulder. if you think you can do a better job than them, why not give it a crack?
or are you scared you'll become the cliche you espouse on others
how long have you been working for and in how many different places?
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Bless you for trying to improve posternumbers' lot in life. But I fear you are onto somewhat of a loser. None are as blind as those that gauge their own eyes out in an orgy of self-pity.i really think you should move jobs!
or get rid of that chip from your shoulder. if you think you can do a better job than them, why not give it a crack?
or are you scared you'll become the cliche you espouse on others
how long have you been working for and in how many different places?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Now why doesn't Dr Who try to "do a better job" than Davros by simply becoming a dalek himself?
Haha, class!!
The worrying part of this is that you actually think that is a reasonable analogy.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Haha, class!!
The worrying part of this is that you actually think that is a reasonable analogy.
It's an entirely reasonable anaology in that it shows that someone would not wish to fulfil the role of something they are opposed to.
But Dr Who doesn't get paid by Davros or do his photocopying.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Poor ol' Dracula. I would imagine that his inability to see himself in the mirror extends to an inability to photocopy his own arse.
i don't watch Dr Who, sorry can you try again.
eta - just read a subsequent post. how can you be opposed to management and supervision. the world needs it to exsist. so why not get stuck in and see if you can make a better fist of it than the people you've worked for and disliked.
feel free to demonstrate a large scale society or even a company that has done well without it.
or you could just sit and bitch i suppose.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
He still doesn't view it as desirable to "do a better job" than Dracula and hence has no wish to join the legions of parasitic vampires in order to "aspire" to this.
But he doesn't take a low-paid job in Dracula's organisation and then refuse a promotion to Assistant Vampire, he just kills the fucker!
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Fucking hell, what happened my thread!
If anyone is still interested, HR have let us know that any financial fuck ups caused by the late salary payment will be reimbursed, inc fees charges etc. And the bosses went and bought sweets at lunchtime to cheer us up.
If anyone is still interested, HR have let us know that any financial fuck ups caused by the late salary payment will be reimbursed, inc fees charges etc. And the bosses went and bought sweets at lunchtime to cheer us up.
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