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[poster342002]

You hypocritical cretin. One moment you're railing against a group of people and the next moment you're expressing solidarity with the very same people.

Do you get that? It's not the fact that you are concerned for these office juniors that I am calling you out about. In fact, you should be concerned for all people that work in offices. It's the hypocrisy that I find contemptable. You're willing to label people in whatever way you see fit to make the miserable argument you want to make at the time.

No, I'm being entirely consistant. I express solidarity with office juniors - unless they become management. At which point they can sod off.

 

[kabbes]

No, I'm being entirely consistant. I express solidarity with office juniors - unless they become management. At which point they can sod off.

Most people in offices are juniors AND have some level of management or supervisory role. Or, at least, they do in professional environments like banks.

 

[zenie]

No, I'm being entirely consistant. I express solidarity with office juniors - unless they become management. At which point they can sod off.

No you made assumptions based on your prejudice yet again.

The thing is you bang on about the working classes so much that I'm beginning to wonder if you're working class at all, the lady doth protest too much.

 

[bi0boy]

Why would anyone set their direct debits to come out on the day they get paid

 

[poster342002]

Most people in offices are juniors AND have some level of management or supervisory role. Or, at least, they do in professional environments like banks*.

The ones that do can sod off, then. You can't be on both sides of the fence at once - nomatter how much the managerial-apologists of the cod left say you can.

*Thus is how solidarity has been abolished in such "professional" environments, btw. Everyones someone's boss and sees themselves as such, so out the window goes any notion of sticking together against the employer.

 

[bi0boy]

What about the managerial-apologists of the trout left?

 

[Dan U]

Yes, lets make hilarious jokes that revolve around mistreating the working classes.

the office junior might be posh.

I have every idea of how workplaces that encourage coproarte-ladderclimbing "work". They "work" by eradicating any notion of solidarity between workers and replacing it with indivualistic, corporate-ladderclimbing, "I'm allright Jack" careerism.

yeah these awful terrible people who want to develop themselves and progress in life.
just because you probably lack the intelligence and social skills to do well in life, lets just keep everyone at the lowest common denominator.

you tit.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

We had a weird thing a few months back where some people only got paid a couple of hundred pounds for the whole month (which was wrong, very very wrong!) and that seriously messed up some people bank accounts my employer did reimburse them for all the problems.

Same here. You don't work for us, do you?

 

[poster342002]

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[poster342002]

yeah these awful terrible people who want to develop themselves and progress in life.
just because you probably lack the intelligence and social skills to do well in life, lets just keep everyone at the lowest common denominator.

Everyone should advance in pay & conditions together in solidarity rather than scramble over each other to climb the greasy pole by appeasing the bosses and becoming a bullying, officious little tit (which I have enough intelligence and social skills to refuse to do).

I've, frankly, had it up to here with yuppies and their "developing, progressing and doing well in life" at others' expense (by definition).

 

[zenie]

Everyone should advance in pay & conditions together in solidarity rather than scramble over each other to climb the greasy pole by appeasing the bosses (which I have enough intelligence and social skills to refuse to do).

I've, frankly, had it up to here with yuppies and their "developing, progressing and doing well in life" at others' expense (by definition).

You shout that line all the time, is this all just one big excuse for you being shit at your job?

Busted!

 

[Dan U]

Everyone should advance in pay & conditions together in solidarity rather than scramble over each other to climb the greasy pole by appeasing the bosses (which I have enough intelligence and social skills to refuse to do).

I've, frankly, had it up to here with yuppies and their "developing, progressing and doing well in life" at others' expense (by definition).

it doesn't work like that though does it, in the real world i mean.

you could have a team of 10 bus drivers with one supervisor. if that supervisor leaves for another job you can't promote them all to that job can you. only one will get it. are they all supposed to not apply out of solidarity with each other? or should the most capable one get a nice payrise for himself and his family?

that's in a non 'yuppie' context for you.

 

[poster342002]

You shout that line all the time, is this all just one big excuse for you being shit at your job?

Busted!

I can do my job fine, as it happens. I just refuse to climb the coroporate ladder - which infuriates the corporate zealotry!

 

[zenie]

I can do my job fine, as it happens. I just refuse to climb the coroporate ladder - which infuriates the corporate zealotry!

Really? I'm sure you've started threads where you're not performing at work, that would suggest you're not proficient at your job woudln't it? And going up a grade in public sector isn't about clambering over people to be a manager.

Face it you're making excuses and using some kind of pseudo working class solidarity to cover it up.

 

[Dan U]

i'm unclear why someone automatically changes from a worker to a 'bullying officious tit' on promotion.

you must work somewhere real shit.

 

[Callie]

Same here. You don't work for us, do you?

NHS?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

NHS?

No.

 

[poster342002]

you could have a team of 10 bus drivers with one supervisor. if that supervisor leaves for another job you can't promote them all to that job can you. only one will get it. are they all supposed to not apply out of solidarity with each other? or should the most capable one get a nice payrise for himself and his family?

1. Why do we "need" a bus supervisor anyway? Buses can't run without drivers - but they can run without supervisors.

2. A lot of drivers wouldn't apply - not just because they can't all get the job, but becuase they wouldn't want to take on a role that involves grassing up and bossing around their mates.

3. The bus drivers should, in this scenario, strive for better payrises all round.

 

[poster342002]

i'm unclear why someone automatically changes from a worker to a 'bullying officious tit' on promotion.

The nature and requirements of the role compel them to be.

 

[Mitre10]

I can do my job fine, as it happens. I just refuse to climb the coroporate ladder - which infuriates the corporate zealotry!

Yeah, I bet your bosses are gutted at having to pay you less for doing the same job because you "refuse to clmib the corporate ladder".

Have a word with yourself.

 

[poster342002]

Really? I'm sure you've started threads where you're not performing at work,

No I haven't.

And going up a grade in public sector isn't about clambering over people to be a manager.

Yes it is - in the public or private sector.

Face it you're making excuses and using some kind of pseudo working class solidarity to cover it up.

Spoken like a true boss.

 

[Dan U]

1. Why do we "need" a bus supervisor anyway? Buses can't run without drivers - but they can run without supervisors.

2. A lot of drivers wouldn't apply - not just because they can't all get the job, but becuase they wouldn't want to take on a role that involves grassing up and bossing around their mates.

3. The bus drivers should, in this scenario, strive for better payrises all round.

1. To do the rota's, the paperwork, to count the drivers money, to do the returns on punctuality etc etc. use your imagination.

2. well that is their choice isn't it - but why penalise the people who aren't stuck in some myopic mystical socialist utopia. I am still unclear why it would involve 'grassing up and bossing around their mates'. i think you need to change jobs or something, sounds like you work with complete cunts.

3. that's a different issue isn't it. collective pay bargaining. we are talking about people getting promotion.

 

[xenon]

I can do my job fine, as it happens. I just refuse to climb the coroporate ladder - which infuriates the corporate zealotry!

I think you should have said hegemony. More of a ring to it.

In my limited experience, achieving a supervisory position is about the only way someone, say working in a callcentre, can improve their position within the same organisation. Do you blame that individual or the lack of alternatives?

 

[poster342002]

1. To do the rota's, the paperwork, to count the drivers money,

That could be organised collectively.

2. well that is their choice isn't it - but why penalise the people who aren't stuck in some myopic mystical socialist utopia.

Why penalise peopel who aren't ideologically stuck in some shitty, Thatcherist dystopia?

3. that's a different issue isn't it. collective pay bargaining. we are talking about people getting promotion.

With adequate collecive pay-bargaining there wouldn't be any need to seek promotion - which is actually an unacceptable alternative to solidarity.

 

[poster342002]

In my limited experience, achieving a supervisory position is about the only way someone, say working in a callcentre, can improve their position within the same organisation. Do you blame that individual or the lack of alternatives?

Both.

 

[Mitre10]

That could be organised collectively.

Whats the point in 10 people having to bother when one could do it far more efficiently?

 

[Dan U]

That could be organised collectively.



Why penalise peopel who aren't ideologically stuck in some shitty, Thatcherist dystopia?


With adequate collecive pay-bargaining there wouldn't be any need to seek promotion - which is actually an unacceptable alternative to solidarity.

bus drivers are employed to drive buses though (in this hypothetical situation anyway) not to do other things like paperwork, rotas etc.

because that is the world we live in fool! do you have a family for example? surely pragmatism should kick in if you do and most folk would seek to do the best they can. it's not ideal but that's the life. enjoy the hair shirt though eh.

and complete bollocks to your last point. people are not equal. people will never all earn the same money. you live in a fantasy world.

 

[poster342002]

Yeah, I bet your bosses are gutted at having to pay you less for doing the same job because you "refuse to clmib the corporate ladder".

It does, actually. It messes with their heads.

"Vy? Vy do you not vish to develop youself unt join ze party - I mean management? Vy?!"

 

[poster342002]

because that is the world we live in fool!

Oh, that makes it OK then. Stuff trying to change anything for the better - let's just embrace the dog-eat-dog shitdom of the 21st century.

 

[claphamboy]

It does, actually. It messes with their heads.

TBH I doubt they lose sleep over it.