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milesy said:
i've not got flashy lights on MY mixer!! :mad:

what flashy lights are you on about? is it some sort of cheating thing?
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:D

Well not being a superstar DJ, but having pissed around on mates mixers:

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see that thing above the fader? Those lights are bound to match beats for you (even though my mates don't have a mixer that expensive, they have flashy lights ;) :D )
 
that's cheating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should be able to do it by ear!! if you learn on a mixer with that and rely on it then go and play at a party or club where the mixer is sans beat-matching flashy lights you'll be fucked.
 
Well, I've managed to teach a few people how to beatmatch and I think I've got a technique that works pretty well, but you need to know someone that can beatmatch so they can set it up for you...

Take a bunch of records about the same tempo, with nice simple beats and an obvious starting beat, choose one of these as your 'zero' record. Now get your friend to mix the rest of them with that one zero record, writing down (post-its help) what the speed of the records are in relation to the zero record. The speeds should be rounded to the nearest whole number (so +1.4 becomes +1, etc...) Now you've got some guidelines to go with and avoids that first 'what the fuck?? slower?? faster???' bit. Now the only thing to do is practise LOADS, then start taking the post its off and go from there... When I first learnt to beatmatch it took me about six months of practising at least two solid hours a day - I had blisters on my fingers from all the speeding up and slowing down...

hope this helps...

:)
 
i'll teach anybody to dj for nothing as long as i personally don't end up outta pocket. and i come with good recommendations :D
 
I'm sure there must be deejay urbanites who would happily give free beat matching lessons. Or for a couple of pints maybe.

Hell, if you're ever in Ealing and don't mind using vinyl, I'll happily try and teach you.
 
It's down to how you wear your headphones to get the cue volume, the type of tunes you're trying to mix, and making a pitch adjustment every time you need to slow the platter down.

I find it easier to teach people to slow a record down to the one playing that trying to speed it up to match tempo.
 
Hmm, the hall of shame is back up, but minus my comments now. I wonder what happened to them? :( That sucks!

Cheers for the offer Hiccup, but we really want to learn on CD decks, since that's what we play on. I have heard the arguments that you need to learn on vinyl first, but I'm not that convinced by them, and I know some very good DJs who only use CDs...

Topaz, could you teach us on CDs? Where do you live? Will you let us practice on pop records? Will you promise not to send me any death threats afterwards? ;)
 
If you're planning to use CD decks, then I'm not sure what advantage learning on vinyl first would have really.
 
hiccup said:
If you're planning to use CD decks, then I'm not sure what advantage learning on vinyl first would have really.
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No, you definitely need to master vinyl before going on to CD decks.

After all, the role of the DJ is to play records, not CD's, and even with the best CDJ system money can buy - the ergonomics are still based upon the Technics 1200 operations.

Plus it's easy, but you are never going to master beatmatching unless you understand counts of 4, 4 bars, breakdown and a little knowledge on frequencies and connections, the basic technical shit.

I know DJ's who have played out for years and they still can't wire up their own 2 deck single mixer system.

No, the mixer output NEVER goes into the Phono input on your amp!!

:mad:

Cunts.

As an aside - I was well impressed with Wolfie's MP3 Hercules control kit USB'ed onto his laptop, as well as his choice of tunes, (among 5000 of them, hearing The Arcade Fire's "Rebellion" was one of the best moments of last night!) goes to show the technology has pretty much revolutionised nights out. With all the single-side pressed 12" vinyl in my bag I'm lucky to get 2 hours worth of tunes in a hefty record bag.
 
ARGH!!!!!!!!! you can learn on anything!!!!! it's just as easy to teach someone to mix on cd decks as it is on vinyl decks!!!!!!!!! it might be beneficial to learn doing it with vinyl as well but NOT NECESSARY!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
topaz said:
ARGH!!!!!!!!! you can learn on anything!!!!! it's just as easy to teach someone to mix on cd decks as it is on vinyl decks!!!!!!!!! it might be beneficial to learn doing it with vinyl as well but NOT NECESSARY!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
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you're right, but i reckon it would be a shame if people who are serious about DJing should learn on vinyl first it makes things a lot fucking easier in the long run...and i'm no purist, not by a long shot

as for the music business it is tough, i used to run a monthly bhangra/rnb night - for profit (about 5 or 6 years ago) and some of things we did to make sure it ran smoothly :o (kidnapping punjabi mc out of his studio with replica firearm was one of the tamer things one of my "business" partners did :rolleyes: :D )
 
pk said:
No, you definitely need to master vinyl before going on to CD decks.
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I have to disagree. Really can't see the point. And I say this as a total vinyl junkie.

pk said:
After all, the role of the DJ is to play records, not CD's, and even with the best CDJ system money can buy - the ergonomics are still based upon the Technics 1200 operations.
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Surely the role of the DJ is to play good tunes, regardless of format?

pk said:
Plus it's easy, but you are never going to master beatmatching unless you understand counts of 4, 4 bars, breakdown and a little knowledge on frequencies and connections, the basic technical shit.
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All of which you can learn using CD decks. Cheap CD decks at that, not even nice fancy Pioneer ones.

pk said:
I know DJ's who have played out for years and they still can't wire up their own 2 deck single mixer system.
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Well that's to do with just being a bit ignorant, not whether you use vinyl or CDs.

pk said:
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As an aside - I was well impressed with Wolfie's MP3 Hercules control kit USB'ed onto his laptop, as well as his choice of tunes, (among 5000 of them, hearing The Arcade Fire's "Rebellion" was one of the best moments of last night!) goes to show the technology has pretty much revolutionised nights out. With all the single-side pressed 12" vinyl in my bag I'm lucky to get 2 hours worth of tunes in a hefty record bag.
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It looked impressive to me too, but I was too shy to go and ask him about it :o
 
I dunno, I just think if you say you're a DJ when people ask what you do, and they ask you to play a party, 9/10 they mean on a set of turntables...

Not being funny like, and I guess you could learn cueing up and beatmatch on CD decks, sure, but there's nothing like physically spinning the plastic in to the mix.

Course, as Wolfie rightly said - if you can DJ with 5000 tunes in a small bag it, has to be better than three flightcases for the turntables and tunes if you're playing off wax.

I just think it's easier to learn off decks.

Maybe coz I don't dig CD decks as much as the old stuff...
 
pk said:
I dunno, I just think if you say you're a DJ when people ask what you do, and they ask you to play a party, 9/10 they mean on a set of turntables...
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i would have agreed until very recently, tbh at a large private party i would expect a laptop or cd mixer now based on the last few i've been to
 
888 said:
What's the point of CDs? Why not do it on a laptop if you're not going to use vinyl?
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I guess cos you can manipulate them more easily, assuming you've got some haf decent CD decks. And if you've got those posh Pioneer ones, you can do pretty much anything you can do with vinyl. And more. Stuff you can't do by clicking on a list of mp3s.

That said, there are some funky looking mp3 controllers coming onto the market.

I still love my vinyl, and buy the vast majority of my music on vinyl, but as I struggled home on the night bus with a bag that weighed about half a ton the other night, the appeal of 10000 tunes on an iPod did start to seem attractive.
 
hiccup said:
I still love my vinyl, and buy the vast majority of my music on vinyl, but as I struggled home on the night bus with a bag that weighed about half a ton the other night, the appeal of 10000 tunes on an iPod did start to seem attractive.
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This is true...
 
It's worth pointing out here you can see where breakdowns are on vinyl, which you can't on CD. Which is important imo.
 
MysteryGuest said:
It's worth pointing out here you can see where breakdowns are on vinyl, which you can't on CD. Which is important imo.
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Surely this is a case of knowing the music you are playing though?
 
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