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Oh dear. I love me some PalmOS, but really - this is looking like a company that's increasingly losing the plot. You don't start a project like this on a whim and then cancel it, bloody hell. Sort it out, Palm. I don't want to have to go on bloody Windows Mobile.

Mind you, with the amount of old Palm kit on eBay, even if they folded tomorrow you could still keep going for a couple of decades. The screen on my TX packed in and, rather than pay a hundred quid to fix it, I just started using an old M515. Does the whole calendar/to-do/notes thing perfectly well and accessories cost a couple of quid each.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Oh dear. I love me some PalmOS, but really - this is looking like a company that's increasingly losing the plot. You don't start a project like this on a whim and then cancel it, bloody hell. Sort it out, Palm. I don't want to have to go on bloody Windows Mobile..
To be honest, I find it a bit encouraging that they've had the bottle to pull out of this one (even though I was intrigued by the Foleo). Smartphones are what Palm do best and if they're now going to solely concentrate on making new kick ass Treos and developing the new Palm OS, then I'm a happy bunny.

I'm looking forward to seeing their new phone next Wednesday too!
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Heh some Engadget commenter thinks the site should get paid a consultation fee for the axing, sorry, delaying, of the Fooleo!http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/04/palm-kills-the-foleo-dead/
Funny thing is that almost all of the comments on that thread are positive about Palm's decision. They made a very tough call that some companies would be too proud/stubborn to make, IMO.

I doubt if they made the decision solely based on Engadget's piece either, even if it was well written.
 
I think they said that basically launching and maintaining the unwanted device would be far more costly than ditching it now - $10 million is figure they have given to the shareholders as the loss - it's probably more than that though!

Is this new Centro meant to be ultra cheap? I've seen $50 on contract in the states - how much over here though? and has Google got anything to do with it? I've read a few blog comments that seems to be linking the Gphone and the Centro.
 
editor said:
To be honest, I find it a bit encouraging that they've had the bottle to pull out of this one (even though I was intrigued by the Foleo). Smartphones are what Palm do best and if they're now going to solely concentrate on making new kick ass Treos and developing the new Palm OS, then I'm a happy bunny.

I'm looking forward to seeing their new phone next Wednesday too!
It's not so much that they axed it - that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do - more that they got so far on a project which then turned out to be axeworthy.

Still. Everybody screws up sometimes. Palm's problems IMO have been lack of development rather than developing the wrong thing, so at least it means they're active. Even if we still don't have OS 6.
 
mack said:
Is this new Centro meant to be ultra cheap? I've seen $50 on contract in the states - how much over here though? and has Google got anything to do with it? I've read a few blog comments that seems to be linking the Gphone and the Centro.
I've not heard anything linking the two together myself, but it is supposed to be cheap for a smartphone. I guess we'll find out next Wednesday when it launches!
 
editor said:
Funny thing is that almost all of the comments on that thread are positive about Palm's decision. They made a very tough call that some companies would be too proud/stubborn to make, IMO.

I doubt if they made the decision solely based on Engadget's piece either, even if it was well written.
Yeah they probably sighed with relief...I doubt the site had that much clout but do think that it and a the comments elsewhere had some effect due to the fact that Palm actually responded.

Says a lot about a company that they can get this far along with a product before realising it's a dodo. Hopefully this will serve as a shock to its system and get them to focus on what they do best rather than that dumbed down laptop concept.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yeah they probably sighed with relief...I doubt the site had that much clout but do think that it and a the comments elsewhere had some effect due to the fact that Palm actually responded.

Doubtful that Internet geeks made a difference... Most of the negative comments were of the "less space than a Nomad, no wireless, lame" variety. Informed comments tended to be of the "Hmmm.... This might very useful" type

Kid_Eternity said:
Says a lot about a company that they can get this far along with a product before realising it's a dodo.

Quite a few companies launch a Dodo... Says a lot about the company when they realise something might not work, avoid releasing it, and focus on their core compentencies...

If anything, small factor full featured laptops have got a lot cheaper recently...! :D
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yeah they probably sighed with relief...I doubt the site had that much clout but do think that it and a the comments elsewhere had some effect due to the fact that Palm actually responded.
I think the emergence of lower cost fully fledged laptops and a lack of support from third pary developers is what really did for them.

I still think the basic Foleo concept is sound and I'd still be interested in a low cost, instant-on, ultra compact with a massive battery life that worked seamlessly with my phone. And it should definitely run the same OS as my phone.
 
jæd said:
Doubtful that Internet geeks made a difference... small factor full featured laptops have got a lot cheaper recently...!

I disagree, the very fact that the head of Palm actually responded to the Engadget letter speaks volumes about the influence blogs and commenters now wield (in the US at least).

It may not have been the decisive influence but it's hard to see that it didn't play a factor in the decision to axe the Foleo.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I disagree, the very fact that the head of Palm actually responded to the Engadget letter speaks volumes about the influence blogs and commenters now wield (in the US at least).
I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that Engadget wields massive influence - answering the letter was simply good PR and a gesture that was much appreciated.

I doubt if Palm make 10 million dollar decisions based on the wibblings of a blog, no matter how well known.
 
I didn't say they wield 'massive' influence (although what you and I call influence is obviously different in definition).

I never said they Palm made their decisions on the 'wibblings' of a blog just that I think it was a factor. Yes a pr move but that's what blogs are in part about!

If they hadn't answered that letter the noise of discontent would have risen, they might have been given a harder time with reviews etc in future, it could've contaminated their brand further and their core fanboy legion wouldn't have been happy...
 
Kid_Eternity said:
If they hadn't answered that letter the noise of discontent would have risen, they might have been given a harder time with reviews etc in future, it could've contaminated their brand further and their core fanboy legion wouldn't have been happy...
So, good PR then!
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I didn't say they wield 'massive' influence (although what you and I call influence is obviously different in definition).

I'd say that on the Foleo, Engadget had little or no influence. Its a Gadget Blog for Geeks. And not the Foleos market...

By replying to Engadget they've effectively bought their silence for a while by wagging the dogs tail... Unlikely that Engadget can be a critical of a company that's doing (in theory) doing what they told it... :D

I'm guessing Engadget has more influence when it comes to smart-phones, which I think are still a bit geeky...

(Though there's probably lot more going on than the above...)
 
Rumour: Meet the Apple iNewt

I've been wondering if we'd start to see these rumours again after the iPhone came out...

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Call it a modern day PDA. Call it a UMPC. Call it a tablet or “thin slate”. No matter what you call it, it may be Apple’s “next big thing” according to AppleInsider.

“For the past 18 months, well-respected sources tell AppleInsider, a small team of Apple engineers have been at it again, this time tapping the company’s revolutionary multi-touch technology as a foundation.”
Described as 1.5 times the size of an iPhone, is suspected to have a high resolution edge to edge display and harnesses Apples multi touch technology. It will supposedly be running Mac OS X Leopard.

Whats more, AppleInsider sources says we’ll see this fun toy coming in the first half of 2008. Interesting. There could possibly be an announcement at Macworld in January. We know how Jobs likes to get word out before the FCC does, however I could be assuming (hoping) this thing will have a dial up broadband connection.
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It looks horrible and unless it's got a hardware keyboard, it's never going to grace my (big) pockets.

But it probably doesn't exist anyway.
 
editor said:
It looks horrible and unless it's got a hardware keyboard, it's never going to grace my (big) pockets.

But it probably doesn't exist anyway.

The current thought is that it might have OS X for Mobile (as seen on the iPhone) on it. It would be interesting to see how cut-down it is.

Playing about some more with the Ipod Touch, the keyboard on that seems fine, but it seems a very personal preference. It is much nicer having such a big screen... :D
 
Asus says it'll ship 3.8 million Eee PCs next year

It's no secret that Asus has some big expectations for its low-cost Eee PC, but it looks like the company is now getting a bit more specific on the matter, with it saying it expects to ship some 3.8 million of the laptops in the next fiscal year. To put that in some perspective, HP (currently at the top of the laptop heap) shipped some 6.2 million laptops total in the last quarter, while Apple sold approximately 1.4 million in the same time period.

Given that Asus is talking about one particular model (with few variations), however, 3.8 million in a year certainly isn't too shabby. What's more, as Daily Tech reports, at least some of those 3.8 million laptops will be shipping with Windows -- specifically, a stripped-down version of XP that's been designed for "emerging markets." Stripped-down or not, however, those'll apparently still demand a $30 to $60 premium over the base, non-Windows model.
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High expectations...
 
Sony exec sees Eee-like PCs as having potentially negative impact on industry

No surprise but it does make some sense...

So at Sony's Open House we were having lunch with Mike Abary, Sony's US SVP of Information Technology Products Division, who oversees Vaio computers (among numerous other things). Of course, the inevitable question came up about the Eee PC's success thus far, and what that means to computer companies on the higher end of the spectrum, like Sony. Mike's response was a little surprising, but certainly sensible enough: if consumer expectations begins to weigh too heavily toward the $300 end of PCs, he believes that kind of consumer adoption would have a profoundly negative impact on the industry, referring to its effect as "a race to the bottom."

We know there are a lot of Eee fans in the house, but the man makes sense. Sony isn't trashing ultra-cheap machines so much as recognizing that it's hard to push things forward when your primary objective becomes making the very cheapest possible machine you can (and not very best). Innovation is hard enough to subsidize, but when your already razor-thin margins flatten even further in trying to sell ultra-cheap machines, it's easy to see the economics working against tech companies. (Asus has less to worry about here because its primary business is making PCs for other companies.) Of course, the reality is that ultra-cheap machines probably won't soon envelop the lion's share of computer sales and threaten what most think of as "real" PCs, so we probably don't have to worry about the industry bottoming out because of the Eee. False advertising and abusive trialware, however, are different stories entirely.
 
That sony guy must be shitting himself. Computers have been oversold for the last 5 years if you ask me. Your average home user doesn't need half the shit that he gets sold. Despite the price of the average computer falling, it could fall a lot further and not actually affect the 'apparent quality' of the product. Computing's becoming a ubiquitous commodity and the luxury manufacturers are going to get squeezed.
 
Yep. Computers have gone from luxury items to everyday work/play goods, and with a growing more computer-literate market, folks are going to be more inclined to use cheap, basic laptops that do the job.

I can see laptops becoming as throwaway as mobile phones in the West, which perhaps isn't the greatest thing (2 million phones were lobbed in the bin over Christmas in the UK).
 
I'm going to start commuting for two hours per day from early April and quite fancy one of these, to work and watch downloaded TV on. I'll have to install XP though, as 4od doesn't support Linux. Also, I'm skint so even £250 is a stretch. :(
 
Yep. Computers have gone from luxury items to everyday work/play goods, and with a growing more computer-literate market, folks are going to be more inclined to use cheap, basic laptops that do the job.

I can see laptops becoming as throwaway as mobile phones in the West, which perhaps isn't the greatest thing (2 million phones were lobbed in the bin over Christmas in the UK).

I think it's a good thing if it means more people becoming computer literate. The disposable side of things is something that needs sorting though...
 
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