Lampard - what a goal!

[Red Faction]

AWESOME goal!!!

he's so lucky to have pulled that off

a totally uninentional cross- lobbed valdez and bingo in at the back post

its funny- had this mental image of bobby zamora afterwards
'very lucky goal there bobby, totally unintentional- how does it feel?'
'its my goal'
'i know its your goal bobby, but it WAS unintentional'
'its my goal'
'yes, bobby- no-ones disputing its your goal, but what a fluke eh'
'but its my goal'

anyway-
awesome goal by lamps

 

[sleaterkinney]

How does a thread about Lampard's goal and last night's match descend into yet more bickering between deluded LFC and Everton fans.

I never brought Liverpool into it, I was laughing at nonames suggestion that Cahill is the best attacking midfielder in the premiership, he then brought up a Liverpool player, he's a bit obsessed like that, in a sad sort of way.

 

[maverick28]

Quite, I'd rather have gerrard than 3 lampards.....the gulf in class in my opinion is massive.....


shame I think Gerrard has said off record that he'll never go to Utd as long as he's got a hole in his arse....or words to that affect

Fuckin right hes worth 3 Lampards, Fat Frank aint fit enough to lace his boots & it pisses me off that the fucker plays the central attacking role for England!! Gerrard should be in their with Aaron Lennon on the right

As for Stevie going to Utd, well there is more chance of em platting piss, it dont bear thinking about

 

[maverick28]

No, but Cahill's been far better than Gerrard this year.

Fuck knows why sleater's desperately searching through history for old stats

What the fuck you judging that on (Goals scored i suppose) Gerrard is not a one trick pony, yeah he scored his first last night but look at his other contributions.. Judging him against Cahill, you cheeky bastard

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I never brought Liverpool into it, I was laughing at nonames suggestion that Cahill is the best attacking midfielder in the premiership, he then brought up a Liverpool player, he's a bit obsessed like that, in a sad sort of way.

Once again, the question was 'who has scored more?'

Nice try again though, weirdo.

 

[William of Walworth]

No, but Cahill's been far better than Gerrard this year.

I agree with this -- Cahill is brilliant. And has been for a while
And Johnson's pretty damn good this term also ....

/\ /\ /\
rare Everton-directed compliment from me

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Sort of. Cahill doesn't actually have that much to his game, which is why he's much better in a 4-5-1 with Carsley protecting the back 4. But what Cahill does bring is goals.

When we play 4-4-2 Cahill often disappears. Part of that is the need for a decent partner to AJ - not Beattie - but we don't have that at the moment (Victor or Vaughan may be it longer term). That's why the £12million to Newcastle rumours don't actually bother me that much. £12 million for Moyes to spend would be great!

Cahill has been two or three times the player Gerrard has been though.

 

[jugularvein]

buffon

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

buffon

He's a goalkeeper, and doesn't play in the premiership, so you can't really claim he's better than Lampard this season.

 

[jugularvein]

He's a goalkeeper, and doesn't play in the premiership, so you can't really claim he's better than Lampard this season.

claim?

 

[William of Walworth]

Sort of. Cahill doesn't actually have that much to his game, which is why he's much better in a 4-5-1 with Carsley protecting the back 4. But what Cahill does bring is goals.

Agreed about his erm 'straightforwardness' but I'm a fan of his. Goals and assists count massively, and delivering as many as he has from that position (he also racked up his tally at Millwall!! ) is impressive by any standard. I'm sure you don't disagree....

I also liked him for Australia in the WC

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

claim?

Well why else were you posting about a goalkeeper on this thread?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Agreed about his erm 'straightforwardness' but I'm a fan of his. Goals and assists count massively, and delivering as many as he has from that position (he also racked up his tally at Millwall!! ) is impressive by any standard. I'm sure you don't disagree....

I also liked him for Australia in the WC

I don't know what you mean by 'straightforwardness' but I'm sure I'd agree. Anyway, back to Lampard/ Barca/ Chelsea.

 

[jugularvein]

Well why else were you posting about a goalkeeper on this thread?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ KNOBEND

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I'm the knobend when you can't spell Buffoon!

 

[jugularvein]

I'm the knobend when you can't spell Buffoon!

so you knew anyway ye twat.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I was just making a point but you needed it explaining!

 

[William of Walworth]

I don't know what you mean by 'straightforwardness' but I'm sure I'd agree. Anyway, back to Lampard/ Barca/ Chelsea.

I was a bit drunk last night (after a late shift working) and going with the already existing derail ..

As for the Barcelona match, wish I'd actually seen it it, cos all the (printed) reports said it was far from a boring game ...

 

[aylee]

has drogba scored? I turned off and let the other half watch America's Next Top Model, I thought load of young girls bitching at each other wouldn't be much different.

 

[steveo87]

Fuck me

Slag him off all you like, and yep shit for England, but definitely the best attacking midfielder in the prem.

Gerrard......perhaps?????

 

[ChrisFilter]

Gerrard......perhaps?????

As already said, been pretty quiet so far this season.

 

[steveo87]

But come on, he's better then lampard,
But I guesse I bias...

 

[J77]

Gerrard has more skill than both Cahill and Lampard - however, the latter 2 seem to be in the right place to score at the right time.

If we're measuring them as attacking midfielders, Gerrard probably loses. If we're measuring them as leaders, strong in the tackle, its Gerrard by a mile.

Who's the argumentative Toffee?

 

[steveo87]

Gerrard has more skill than both Cahill and Lampard - however, the latter 2 seem to be in the right place to score at the right time.

If we're measuring them as attacking midfielders, Gerrard probably loses. If we're measuring them as leaders, strong in the tackle, its Gerrard by a mile.

Who's the argumentative Toffee?

They'll pull out some pre-war bloke that no one can remeber, just whatch.

 

[tarannau]

Gerrard has more skill than both Cahill and Lampard - however, the latter 2 seem to be in the right place to score at the right time.

If we're measuring them as attacking midfielders, Gerrard probably loses. If we're measuring them as leaders, strong in the tackle, its Gerrard by a mile.

Who's the argumentative Toffee?

I hate to give nonameflims any ground, but Cahaill's currently far more important to Everton than Gerrard is to Liverpool.

Not just because Everton have less depth in their squad, but also because Benitez seems to prioritise Alonso and Sissoko as the central midfield partnership - Sissoko the holding dynamo, Alonso the creative passer. And Gerrard's left an uncomfortable fit on the right. Kind of like the Beckham of Liverpool - a good player trapped without the pace and dribbling skills to really be a fully gifted wide man.

I can understand that he wants to contribute to the side, but I can't help but feel he's wasted out there.

 

[jugularvein]

I hate to give nonameflims any ground, but Cahaill's currently far more important to Everton than Gerrard is to Liverpool.

Not just because Everton have less depth in their squad, but also because Benitez seems to prioritise Alonso and Sissoko as the central midfield partnership - Sissoko the holding dynamo, Alonso the creative passer. And Gerrard's left an uncomfortable fit on the right. Kind of like the Beckham of Liverpool - a good player trapped without the pace and dribbling skills to really be a fully gifted wide man.

I can understand that he wants to contribute to the side, but I can't help but feel he's wasted out there.

disagree about gerrard on the right. he doesn't stay there he moves all over the pitch, unlike beckham. he has more pace and dribbling skills than beckham. basically isn't a similar player apart from them both having superb range of passing.

i don't think gerrrard on right is such a disaster and he's saying he's happy at the moment so.....

 

[sleaterkinney]

I can understand that he wants to contribute to the side, but I can't help but feel he's wasted out there.

He's not at all, it frees him to attack more, plus he's never really been able to dictate the pace of the game in the center. His starting point is on the wing, but if you actually look at him during the game he pops up all over the place.

Nobody was talking about it as a disaster when he scored 23 and we went on that run last season..

 

[tarannau]

He's not at all, it frees him to attack more, plus he's never really been able to dictate the pace of the game in the center. His starting point is on the wing, but if you actually look at him during the game he pops up all over the place.

Nobody was talking about it as a disaster when he scored 23 and we went on that run last season..

If he can't dictate the pace from the centre, then why hope he can manage the same feat from a starting point out wide?

I'm not talking about Gerrard's position as a disaster - it's more just a shame he's playing below his potential imo. And besides, disaster or not, last year wasn't the greatest triumph for a team of Liverpool's situation and the good feeling brought on by the run of last year has quickly faded with this year's lack of consistency.

It just seems a bit of a hotch-potch of a strategy to me. Benitez goes and buys a couple of orthodox wingers and then ends up playing Gerrard on the right anyhow. It doesn't ring true and neither do Liverpool's results so far.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

That's because he bought Pennant to be fair, who's played well against Reading in the league cup but put in dozens of terrible crosses every other time he's stepped on the field.

I think that Benitez had publically said he wanted a right winger for so long, he just bought whoever was best that was available, rather than continuing his wait for someone even better.

Pennant might turn out to be ok, but I never thought he would and I know quite a few people agree.

 

[sleaterkinney]

If he can't dictate the pace from the centre, then why hope he can manage the same feat from a starting point out wide?

Because it's not his job out there and you don't dictate the game from out wide anyway. He also rarely stays out wide.

I'm not talking about Gerrard's position as a disaster - it's more just a shame he's playing below his potential imo. And besides, disaster or not, last year wasn't the greatest triumph for a team of Liverpool's situation and the good feeling brought on by the run of last year has quickly faded with this year's lack of consistency.

Last year he played the best I've ever seen him play, starting from the right. We put a good run together and the team clearly progressed, finishing 30 or so points higher, it's unrealistic to expect anything more. We've had a slow start to this season which wasn't completely down to him, a few of our players have had bad starts.

It just seems a bit of a hotch-potch of a strategy to me. Benitez goes and buys a couple of orthodox wingers and then ends up playing Gerrard on the right anyhow. It doesn't ring true and neither do Liverpool's results so far.

No, Benetiz simply likes to have different formations to work with, he even changes them a couple of times during the game. He didn't buy Pennant to play the same role as Gerrard does now.