Lambeth to ban all public drinking

[Biddlybee]

Neither does anyone need to drink alcohol to survive, there are many more options available.

No-one has said that, but your response when asked if you eat meat, was that we eat to survive.

 

[toggle]

Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.

I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.

Because you may wish to deny yourself alcohol, you have absolutely no right to be telling anyone else they can or cannot have a drink.

you sound like a right bore tbh.

 

[DotCommunist]

This is like when they banned street drinking in northampton town centre. I for one have flouted that rule dozens of times as have friends and I've seen strangers flouting the rule as well.

Basicaly it's a rule designed to make it easier to disperse 'undesirables' and hassle homeless street drinkers.

 

[ajdown]

Because you may wish to deny yourself alcohol, you have absolutely no right to be telling anyone else they can or cannot have a drink.

Neither do the 'pro alcohol' crowd telling me I'm wrong for being against it.

*shrug* works both ways.

 

[toggle]

The problem is not "a glass of wine with a picnic in the park", it's the "6 cans of Stella for a fiver" several times a day crowd like those that used to hang around outside the Ritzy that many people, myself included, find intimidating.

the police can deal with intimidating behavior as intimidating behavior through existing laws, should they choose to do so. i'ts perfectly possible to deal with that which is unpleasent without criminalising people who want to have a drink outside of their home, who find pubs an absolute rip off and are not causing a problem to anyone

 

[berniedicters]

Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.

I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.

OK, so that's covered you. I still don't see how you can seriously say, just because you can manage without it, and don't approve of it, that everyone else should therefore have to go without too.

Sure, alcohol causes problems. But what causes alcohol? I mean, why do some people develop problems? Why should the vast majority of people who manage to use alcohol responsibly and safely have to be deprived of something pleasurable because a small minority cannot use it safely? Why, while we're at it, don't we stop everyone driving because a small number of people abuse the privilege?

 

[toggle]

Neither do the 'pro alcohol' crowd telling me I'm wrong for being against it.

*shrug* works both ways.

that's not 'works both ways, you are telling people they shouldn't drink, they are telling you to mind your own business, not telling you that you should drink.

 

[8ball]

I don't like football, olives or beetroot.

Ban them.

 

[ohmyliver]

Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.

I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.

Judge not, lest you be judged.

 

[g force]

that's not 'works both ways, you are telling people they shouldn't drink, they are telling you to mind your own business, not telling you that you should drink.

You've only gone and used logic....how very dare you!

 

[onenameshelley]

BLoody hell what is wrong with this bloody country? I honestly never thought i would say that (officially old).

Does anyone have a clue when this going to happen??

Fucking muppets clearly have nothing better to do, yes if people are being antisocial or violent then that makes sense to remove their fuel. But most people having picnics or a nice after work beer in the park in the sunshine are hardly being anti social, unless they beat someone to death with their taste the difference baggette?

Fucksticks to Lambeth

 

[jæd]

Both of my parents had alcohol related problems, and throughout my early years it caused a lot of problems, ultimately ending up in the failure of their marriage.

I have absolutely no desire to repeat their mistakes, which were rooted in alcohol, and inflict the pain I suffered on my children.

Instead you will be a misery guts of a father, getting the lash out at minor indiscretions. I predict your daughter to crack-whore by 13 and your son locked up for GBH while drunk at 18.

I dislike being told what to do by pompous arses on bulletin boards. Do you respect my opinion...?

 

[Crispy]

ajdown, your haircut offends me. never leave the house without a hat, or I'll set the council on you.

 

[toggle]

You've only gone and used logic....how very dare you!

is that banned as well now?


ooooops

 

[Crispy]

This proposal can fuck right off. Think I'll follow councillers when they leave work and tip their booze down the drain when they come out of the shop.

 

[prunus]

Both of my parents had alcohol related problems, and throughout my early years it caused a lot of problems, ultimately ending up in the failure of their marriage.

I have absolutely no desire to repeat their mistakes, which were rooted in alcohol, and inflict the pain I suffered on my children.

OK, but you're making the mistake of conflating the proximal (alcohol) and ultimate (the flawed people they are/were) causes of their problems. If you think that you are (temperamentally, genetically, whatever) sufficiently similar to them that the same stimulus (alcohol) will have the same effect (problems) then probably a good idea to stay away. You have to accept though that that same stimulus does *not* have that effect on the vast majority of people, and thus this argument does not support prohibiting alcohol for all.

 

[jæd]

I fully believe alcohol and smoking should be treated the same as sex - something you do in the comfort and privacy of your own home, where you aren't affecting other people.

I remember when they had Pride on Brockwell Park.

Ajdown would have been horrified and probably writing to the council about the beastly things people were doing to each other before the cricket had even started...

 

[marty21]

I think they tried this in Bath a few years ago, just around the centre of Bath, basically the councillors got narked at the cider punks who used to hang out near the Abbey Churchyard, not sure if it is still in force down there

 

[ajdown]

ajdown, your haircut offends me. never leave the house without a hat, or I'll set the council on you.

Actually I was going for a trim on saturday. What do you think I should have done?

 

[Crispy]

By your logic, aj, nobody should do anything at all in public ever. Drinking does not harm you. Drunken louts do. Driving does not harm you, reckless driving does. Your logic would dictate a total ban on driving. You don't deal with extremeties with blanket regulation. It's unworkable.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I realise I don't "fit in" with the average demographic of this board's users, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to share my point of view, even if it's likely to be unpopular.

If someone chose not to drink alcohol "for health reasons" or "for spiritual reasons", nobody would question it. But when I simply state "I don't like it, and I don't like other people drinking alcohol" somehow that isn't acceptable?

I'm sure there's lots of people that don't like things you do, you don't see them on here moaning about it

Have you ever thought of moving to some dry Middle-Eastern country?

Then again, that probably wouldn't suit you as they're probably bigger smokers than the British are

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm sure there's lots of people that don't like things you do, you don't see them on here moaning about it

Have you ever thought of moving to some dry Middle-Eastern country?

Then again, that probably wouldn't suit you as they're probably bigger smokers than the British are

and he'd have a nightmare finding non-halal butchers

 

[Crispy]

And the buses would be full of brown people

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I don't like football, olives or beetroot.

Ban them.

I agree

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

And the buses would be full of brown people

wearing dresses

and they would probably smoke on the bus

 

[MrSki]

Actually I was going for a trim on saturday. What do you think I should have done?

Your throat?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

So you're against people having a glass of wine with their picnic in the park and you'd like the cider stall to be removed from the Country Show?

Why, exactly?

he doesn't like people chuckling

 

[ajdown]

Be too hot in the middle east for me. London's too hot right now.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Be too hot in the middle east for me. London's too hot right now.

Well is there some other dry country that's not in the Middle East that you could go to?

How about a nice Muslim part of Turkey that doesn't suffer from extreme heat?

I'm sure you could do with a nice long holiday, a very, very, very long holiday maybe?

 

[MrSki]

Do you really think that Community Support Officers will deal will problem drinkers or go for the easier option of non-problem drinkers.