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Lambeth to ban all public drinking

No no no no!!!

Its one of our favourite summer things to do having a beer in Kennington or Brockwell park in the evenings.

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I fully support Lambeth Council on this issue. Let's hope the government do smoking nationally too. Drugs... already illegal so that's no problem.
 
Are you taking the piss?

I assume so, but if not I'd be genuinely interested in hearing your views on this.
 
I'd love to know who keeps having these brilliant (sarcastic) ideas in the council. I mean where will it end. According to the report, people have been nicked for having unopened cans of lager that they've just bought from an off license. Does it mean, than for example, you can have a beer outside the Prince Regent but step on the pavement and its illegal?
 
ajdown said:
I fully support Lambeth Council on this issue. Let's hope the government do smoking nationally too. Drugs... already illegal so that's no problem.
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:D

Yes. Making drugs illegal has definitely resulted in there being no problems.




It's unenforceable. Who is going to patrol brockwell park all weekend arresting hundreds of people, before starting all over again on another lap of the park?
 
prunus said:
Are you taking the piss?

I assume so, but if not I'd be genuinely interested in hearing your views on this.
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Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.

I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.
 
ajdown said:
I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.
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Well it is a part of my social life and those of many others. And you know what, I and everyone else in my social life do nobody else any harm while we are drinking. So who the hell are you to tell us we are wrong?
 
ajdown said:
Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.

I have sufficient self control to survive without it, therefore I see no reason why anyone else can't.

It's not part of any form of 'social life' that I have any desire to be part of.
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O....K..... you're either trolling me or you are quite spectacularly misanthropic - because *you* don't want to do something you don't think anyone else should?
 
I don't need to justify my point of view. My point of view is simply what I have stated already.

If you choose to disagree with it, that's your choice. Your view is no more, or less, valid than mine.
 
I realise I don't "fit in" with the average demographic of this board's users, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to share my point of view, even if it's likely to be unpopular.

If someone chose not to drink alcohol "for health reasons" or "for spiritual reasons", nobody would question it. But when I simply state "I don't like it, and I don't like other people drinking alcohol" somehow that isn't acceptable?
 
ajdown said:
I fully support Lambeth Council on this issue. Let's hope the government do smoking nationally too. Drugs... already illegal so that's no problem.
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So you're against people having a glass of wine with their picnic in the park and you'd like the cider stall to be removed from the Country Show?

Why, exactly?
 
ajdown said:
I don't need to justify my point of view. My point of view is simply what I have stated already.

If you choose to disagree with it, that's your choice. Your view is no more, or less, valid than mine.
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No, you don't, as long as you're happy that other people will not share it, which you appear to be.

I was interested in your reasons for holding such a view, as it seemed an unreasonable one to me, and it was possible that your reasons included some things that I had not but should have considered in coming up with my view - hence I asked.

However it turns out that your reasons are entirely solipsistic and (it would appear from this vantage point anyway) steeped in bitterness, so I shall be dismissing your opinion (on this anyway) forthwith.
 
ajdown said:
Alcohol is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many of society's problems.
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Meat is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many environmental problems. Do you eat meat, ajdown?

Driving is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many environmental problems. Do you drive, ajdown?
 
I fully believe alcohol and smoking should be treated the same as sex - something you do in the comfort and privacy of your own home, where you aren't affecting other people. Once a week, after Match of the Day, with the lights off, if you must.

The problem is not "a glass of wine with a picnic in the park", it's the "6 cans of Stella for a fiver" several times a day crowd like those that used to hang around outside the Ritzy that many people, myself included, find intimidating.

I guess that, as I don't drink alcohol at all, I find it difficult to understand how having a glass of wine on a picnic can make it a more enjoyable experience.
 
editor said:
Meat is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many environmental problems. Do you eat meat, ajdown?

Driving is, directly and indirectly, the cause of many environmental problems. Do you drive, ajdown?
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We eat to survive. We drive/travel because that's what modern society requires us to do.
 
ajdown said:
If someone chose not to drink alcohol "for health reasons" or "for spiritual reasons", nobody would question it. But when I simply state "I don't like it,
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This bit - fine, no worries, knock yourself out (or not, in fact).

and I don't like other people drinking alcohol" somehow that isn't acceptable?
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This bit, also, as far as it goes, ok, if likely to make you seem extremely odd and not a little unpleasant to most people (after all, other people drinking alcohol doesn't *really* affect you, does it?)

But it's the bit not mentioned there, that follows on from the second bit that isn't acceptable - that you want to stop other people doing it. This is just selfish vindictiveness, and such behaviours are indeed considered unacceptable by the majority of people.
 
prunus said:
However it turns out that your reasons are entirely solipsistic and (it would appear from this vantage point anyway) steeped in bitterness, so I shall be dismissing your opinion (on this anyway) forthwith.
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Both of my parents had alcohol related problems, and throughout my early years it caused a lot of problems, ultimately ending up in the failure of their marriage.

I have absolutely no desire to repeat their mistakes, which were rooted in alcohol, and inflict the pain I suffered on my children.
 
ajdown said:
I fully believe alcohol and smoking should be treated the same as sex - something you do in the comfort and privacy of your own home, where you aren't affecting other people. Once a week, after Match of the Day, with the lights off, if you must.
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They see you trollin' - they hatin' :D
 
BiddlyBee said:
You don't need to eat meat to survive, and you don't need to drive to travel.
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Neither does anyone need to drink alcohol to survive, there are many more options available.

I got dragged to a pub recently with some friends. One 275ml bottle of Tropicana orange juice - £2.05. What a rip off.
 
ajdown said:
I fully support Lambeth Council on this issue. Let's hope the government do smoking nationally too. Drugs... already illegal so that's no problem.
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Do be serious! :)

If ever making something illegal was an effective way to control it, you couldn't get a better example than the current drugs market.

The only effect of the illegality of drugs I can see is a reduction in quality and (one assumes) an increase in cost - it is trivially easy for anyone of mature years and a little resource to get his hands on what he or she wants. In some ways, that's the ideal system - don't bar the kids on grounds of age, bar them on grounds of ingenuity :)

But anyone who hasn't got his head up his bum looking at some authoritarian macho "get tough" fantasy knows that, even if the prohibitionists claim victories, most of them are being won at the pragmatic levels, not the headline ones. Drugs awareness (informing, not hectoring) does far more than the millions (I think it's about £100m/year?) spent on interdiction. That kind of money would sort out an education/rehabilitation regime to tackle all kinds of drugs use. Including alcohol. You wouldn't NEED to make drugs illegal, because you'd be tackling the issue at source.

Same with this ban: it's just a way of making the problem go away by pushing it out of sight, and in the process, as usual, hitting the legitimate outdoor drinkers - the person who wants to have a nice glass of wine out front of a pub in the sunshine, say - as hard as it hits the "problem" ones. So we all lose another little bit of freedom to do something nice in the name of an approach which won't do anything about the problem except push it a bit further underground. Stupid, kneejerk folly. And if I had any doubts about whether I thought it was a bad idea, I think they were confirmed when I saw ajdown coming out in favour :)
 
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