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Lambeth Nu Town Hall news

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by PordenRdGroup, May 6, 2015.

  1. PordenRdGroup

    PordenRdGroup Residents Group

    There are over 100 documents in the planning applications for the New Town Hall and to the untrained eye it is very hard to make sense of them.

    So the residents of both Arlington Lodge and Porden Road are looking for someone who can help us make sense of it and build a case against the plans. The submission dates for both groups are different; Arlington Lodge have til the 13th May and Porden Road have til the 21st May. And on the road the planning notifications say the 28th May

    We are desperate as some of the residents will loose 80% of their light!
     
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  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Do you have reference number for the planning application? Otherwise they are a nightmare to find.

    If you are worried about light issue it should be dealt with in one of the docs which should be in pdf form on the Lambeth website. You should not need to read all the pdfs.

    The other issue is height of buildings which High Definition has raised as contrary to tall buildings policy.

    If you are short of time then make sure everyone in street/ lodge put in comments online. Saying that they oppose application due to fact that they may lose light.

    Opposition to application will mean that it would go to planning committee if officer does not turn it down.

    Then if I was you would be to get technical advice on loss of light. There will be time before it get to committee.

    I would also get you Ward Cllrs involved. They can speak at planning committee for or against a planning application in there ward.
     
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  3. PordenRdGroup

    PordenRdGroup Residents Group


    Thanks Gramsci for your help - definitely will look in to that!

    Sadly our Ward Councillors seem reluctant to help as it's a council building!

    The link to the planning application is:
    http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onli...iveTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=NMYGSQBO0I000
     
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  4. High Definition

    High Definition Well-Known Member

    Hello Porden Road people,

    I agree with Gramsci that you would be well advised to get specialist advice on the issue of loss of daylight and sunlight. You'll need to pay for this, as the issues are very technical. I'd certainly give it a try if I lived in Porden Road.

    Can't give you a recommendation but should be easy enough to find a specialist firm if you google daylight and sunlight consultants. Expect to pay at least a thousand for a written objection and for the expert to attend Planning Applications Committee to put your case.

    I would also recommend that you join forces with other residents affected by the Town Hall/Olive Morris House developments - - residents in Arlington Lodge (if they're not already part of your group) and people living in houses in Beverstone Road. Properties in Beverstone will be severely impacted by the Olive Morris House redevelopment - so might be worth knocking on doors to find out if they're doing anything.

    By the way, the list of documents on the Lambeth website includes a daylight and sunlight report which, among other things, looks at the impact of the new buildings will have on neighbouring properties.

    Good luck
     
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  5. Twattor

    Twattor Well-Known Member

    Expect to pay quite a bit more than that. I'd expect the modelling alone to cost getting on for double that figure, and the analysis will be on top of that. It is a massively technical field and the costs reflect the complexities.
     
  6. PordenRdGroup

    PordenRdGroup Residents Group

    Many thanks for you're advice, yes we are in talks with other resident groups but not the Beverstone Road one yet so will check that out. We thought all the groups could club together to get a professionally adviser on this as we've obtained a few leads for companies for it. If that fails we could raise funds on kickstarter for fighting Lambeth Council... :)
     
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  7. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    Friends on Beverstone rd are very upset.
     
  8. PordenRdGroup

    PordenRdGroup Residents Group

    None of Porden Road residents know anyone there - does anyone know who we could contact?
     
  9. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    PM me.
     
  10. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

    Un-bloody-believeable. Look at this thing ! It totally convinced me that Lambeth Council is spending their money in the best possible way here, and that the whole town hall thing is a response to the needs of 4 teenagers.
     
  11. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I despair of modern yut.
    There was all the bits there for a nightmare drama in the manner of Jean Genet meets David Lynch.

    I was thinking of the scene where the judge in wig and regalia crawls across the floor of the council chamber to lick the pointed tip of Lib Peck's extended high heel shoe.
     
  12. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

    CH1 you are my Utube nemesis.
     
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  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  14. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    While it's always good to query escalating budgets, the article appears to be taking all kinds of pot shots at the project, one or two of which are not very fair or well founded IMO. Damn right they should be looking after the heritage features. Damn right they should be using colour specialists. Not surprising at all with a building that has Grade Listed features. Lambeth would be failing in their duty if they did otherwise, and I can already picture the outrage (and rightly so) if they did a botched job on Grade listed feautures and fucked them up.
     
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  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    How about when you put that in context of them closing libraries yet having money for fancy fixtures?
     
  16. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Surely the bulk of the project costs will be in building the large office complex next to the Electric, changing Ivor House into luxury flats, demolishing Hambrook House and building new offices, demolishing Olive Morris House (a sturdy structure with reinforced concrete basement areas), and building more luxury flats on the site of Olive Morris House.

    I rather doubt that conservation measures on the Edwardian Town Hall will come to 5% of the whole cost - if that.
     
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  17. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    I would say the same thing. It is possible and not particularly unlikely that mismanagement or incompetence might have caused the overall budget to increase, and if so it should be exposed and the council named and shamed, because I guess the libraries could have been saved many times over if the extra money, as well as countless other worthy causes.

    But since they have commited to renovate the building, they have to do *certain* things properly and not cut corners when dealing with historical (let alone Listed) features. They are not an aspect of the renovation that should be compromised upon.
     
  18. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

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  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    My oh my. What a wonderfully grown up argument. Now point out where anyone, anywhere has suggested leaving asbestos in place?
     
  20. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    The tone of voice of the article, 'Your Nu (sic) Town Hall' comments on the 'costly' work being done 'behind the Brixton Hill hoardings'. The implication with the word 'costly' and 'hoardings' is that this is a waste of money done in secret.

    It goes on, 'Even with the prime London property locations being flogged on, this comes at a cost'. The implication being that this is unnecessary expenditure.

    The tenor of the whole article is that the whole thing is a waste of money. So I was trying to identify savings for you, for the next article.
     
  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You get all that from the correct use of the word 'hoardings'?

    2017-05-11_115519.jpg

    Wow. I mean, just wow. :facepalm:
     
  22. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    Nothing really wow (italicised for extra impact) about it. I get it from the tone of voice of the article. But then you'd know the article through and through, being a responsible publisher.

    You will also know, having done a proper search on 'hoarding', not just cutting and pasting from the very first thing you come across on the Internet, that another definition of hoard is 'cover up'; 'hide'; 'cover'. (Roget's Thesaurus).

    So the author may well be implying that from one of the correct uses of the word 'hoard'.
     
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  23. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    You're conflating "hoarding" and "hoard". You're grasping at straws to avoid conceding that you've lost an argument. It's a really bad look. :)
     
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  24. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    Not really. I don't come here to win or lose arguments..... I'm surprised that you seem to think that this is the place for that.
     
  25. Twattor

    Twattor Well-Known Member

    Just heard from a contact on site that the "affordable" element of the town hall development is being off-loaded onto a housing association under a s106. I found a link on Galliford's website (below) but it is unclear whether it is purely the shared ownership or whether lambeth are actually disposing of affordable rent rather than keep it as council stock. Is this common knowledge? Does anyone know more?

    Galliford Try awarded £25 million Lambeth regeneration contract
     
  26. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Well spotted. I see from that article that their development partners are Notting Hill.
    Notting Hill seemed to do a good job in Coldharbour Lane (Embassy Apartments).
    In their newest enterprise they have a huge banner advertising flats for sale on the Wooddene site in Queens Road Peckham
    Wooddene.jpg
    Maybe they might need a new business plan if Jeremy gets in?
     
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    If it's correct an Notting Hill Housing Trust are involved they will be letting flats on the so called "affordable" model. Up to 80% of market rent. NH housing trust are known to go for higher up the scale. Nearing the 80% mark. Which isn't that affordable.
     
  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Some info on Notting Hill Housing Trust who work with Galliford.

    notting hill housing trust | Southwark Notes - whose regeneration?
     
  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    From the Southwark Notes piece:

    These are the typical ignorance and lies that feed the demolition of council estates and then the gentrification of these areas.They pretend that council estates are not made up of all sorts of people doing all sorts of jobs. They pretend everyone is unemployed or single mums or alcoholics. It’s the usual stigma to create a picture that council housing is a failure and needs to be replaced by ‘mixed communities‘. But we know this a code word for getting in more wealthy people to live in new private homes. You can read her introduction here:
    Housing Poverty Kate Davies Introduction

    You can displace working class people to far and wide and bring in more wealthy folks but poor people remains poor no matter where you pack them off too. ‘Mixed communities’ as an idea seems to conveniently forget this er…easy to grasp fact!
     
  30. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    From what I've heard Notting Hill Housing Trust are among the worst. Moved on from there early days to be basically run by Tories.
     

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