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Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Strange that you like to shift the blame on the tenants. Why isn't your concern more about the council not delivering on promises made over a decade ago? Why aren't you bothered with people having to use substandard bathrooms?

    And I've given all I need to give back to the council by paying my rent and taxes promptly every week. Do you give your landlord bonus payments then?
     
  2. mjd

    mjd New Member

    I have said that is a concern. I have said that I do not agree with Lambeth's woefully bad budgeting. I do not work for the council and the way I voted last week (which, by the way, was neither Tory nor Blairite Labour) regrettably has had no impact. Nowhere have I said that I blame tenants for anything.

    As for whether I give my landlord bonus payments, I'll repeat what I said last week:

     
  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Seeing as you're so fond about lecturing people about you think they should do for the community perhaps you could tell us all here what your contribution is?
     
  4. mjd

    mjd New Member

    Above and beyond the fact that, as I said, I contribute tax in an amount greater than the direct benefits I receive and I give regularly to schools, universities and medical research, I help pay for facilities in the local park no longer covered by Lambeth, I give my time for free to coach sport and I have volunteered weekly at Citizens Advice centres for a number of years. Could I do more? Yes, probably. I love the community in which I live and I would like to do more to help. But when any attempt to challenge anything that is ever said is met with derision and dismissed out of hand as being filthy, priceless and Tory without any attempt at rational, mature debate, I am not sure that it wouldn't do more harm than good.

    Well deflected, by the way.
     
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  5. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Deflected from what? You're the one pompously suggesting that council residents should either pay for their own, long-overdue bathroom renovations or fuck off to some place out of town where other poor people live.

    Are you a Tory by they way? What you've posted here certainly suggest you're one.
     
  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Lambeth Council received £480 million to refurbish their entire stock under the "Decent Homes" initiative. Rather than doing so, they invented their own - spurious - "Lambeth Homes Standard" and proceeded to overpay for basic upgrades to decades-old kitchens, bathrooms and heating systems. This isn't a case of someone feeling entitled to something, it's a case of being entitled, but not receiving your entitlement because your local authority is run by a bunch of corrupt red Tories.
     
  7. mjd

    mjd New Member

    Deflected from the original point, but that was perhaps unjust because it is relevant. I apologise.

    At the risk of repeating myself, I agree that the council should have done the renovations. I agree that council tenants shouldn't have to pay for the renovations. I do not want "poor people" to have to "fuck off" anywhere. I have already made my views on these points clear and your constant reversion to a polarised all or nothing view shows that there is no point going over the arguments I have already made because they are in shades of grey and shades of grey apparently do not matter. I imagine also that everyone else is bored of reading our fight and the fact that nobody appears to have agreed with anything I have said suggests this forum probably isn't the place to voice any of my opinions.

    I am pretty sure that everybody, be they a council tenant, private tenant or homeowner, would like some improvement to be made to their accommodation. On each of these categories, assuming the essential prerequisite (common to all three categories) to have available funds, I would imagine that: (a) Private tenants have the least incentive to fund any sort of home improvements, given that they are paying rent at market rate to a private individual operating (presumably) solely for profit; (b) Council tenants may feel that they have enough money to fund renovations and are happy to do so on the basis that they will derive benefit from it and recognise that we rarely in life get back directly exactly what we put in. My issue, as I have repeatedly said, is with a council tenant (with available spare funds) who complains about renovations not being done by the council (which is a perfectly valid complaint given the council's broken promises, fiscal mismanagement and, as just mentioned, its spurious Lambeth Homes Standard) and refuses to do something on the basis that they have already given exactly enough to the council and should not contribute a penny more; and (c) Homeowners speak for themselves.

    I have never voted Tory (either locally or nationally) and cannot see myself doing so any time soon. If I looked hard there is probably a Tory policy that I agree with to a greater degree than a comparably policy offered by Labour or another party, but by the same token there are myriad other policies offered by parties other than Tories with which I identify more closely. I therefore do not identify with any of the mainstream parties. There are some aspects of fiscal conservatism that I agree with, but a lot with which I disagree given that I would claim to be socially liberal.
     
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  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Ed I think mjd is trolling the boards. I checked the profile only a few posts on this thread since joining.

    Mjd is deliberately winding you up.

    Mjd isn't worth engaging with. I tried. Mjd just wants to have a go at you.
     
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  9. mjd

    mjd New Member

    Does trolling now extend to offering any opinion that doesn’t conform to the established leftist nature of the board?

    I have used these boards as a source of local information for a long time. It is true that I post rarely, but for some reason the comments made on this thread and the out of hand dismissal of any alternate view as wholly wrong really got to me.

    I have sought to answer each and every argument as well as I am able. If editor feels as though I have picked on him, perhaps I have. But I disagreed with him and didn’t see why I shouldn’t stand my ground.

    As I said, it is clear that anyone with my views or a desire to engage in debate with those that may disagree with them is unwelcome on this board. I shall leave you all to your saintly ways and genuinely hope that editor gets his new bathroom.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Trolling can be deliberately misquoting and misrepresenting a poster's view, just like you've done with me.
     
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  11. mjd

    mjd New Member

    And every time someone else has quoted me it has been 100% accurate and without unwarranted generalisation or twisting?
     
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You piled into this community board and immediately went on the offensive, insisting that council tenants like me should either pay out of personal savings to have long-overdue, long-promised bathroom renovations or "make a choice to rent a privately-owned property that is further out of the city centre."

    What gave you the right to start telling people what to do with their hard-earned savings or tell them they should move out of town to make way for richer people?
     
  13. mjd

    mjd New Member

    As I said, clearly debate and difference of opinion are not valued here.

    Goodnight.
     
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  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You made it personal from the start, so this 'hard done by' whining isn't really going to cut it. If you wanted a polite discussion, you should have tried showing some respect to the community you've just turned up at.
     
  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Its not worth it Ed. This is deliberate wind up. I don't think mjd is genuine poster.
     
  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Local authorities have a regulatory obligation as well as a statutory duty, with regard to the upkeep of their properties. This includes a duty to renew bathroom and kitchen furniture at 25-30 yr intervals; to decorate 1 room per year of tenants over 65, over a 5 yr cycle; to renew windows and doors at a 25-30 yr interval, etc etc.

    Personally, I don't object to different views, only to ill-informed ones. A majority of council tenants are aware of these rights, as well as being aware of the fact that their local authorities often abrogate those rights due to financial pressures. Central govt's "Decent Homes Standard" initiative was an acknowledgment of this.
     
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  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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    editor Taffus Maximus

  19. Jonti

    Jonti what the dormouse said

    This from Private Eye #1468 describes some questionable employment practices by the Town Hall
    private-eye-1468.jpeg
     
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  20. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's disgusting. Labour acting like the worst kind of tax-swerving Tory bosses.
     

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