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killer b

Minimum Waste / Maximum Joy
Why is it whining? I'm concerned about the damage poorly sourced journalism can do, and I think it's worthwhile challenging it where I see it. Including lurid allegations of voter suppression with no known basis in reality in your single-sourced articles could be damaging to your reputation as a journalist - but if there is a case to answer, it also allows those who should be answering to brush it off more easily.

Had you stripped out the Lib Dem conspiracy theory and just presented the facts from the press release, would Lambeth Labour be able to call your piece misleading? I don't think so. Would it have been shared all over social media by lib dem activists and viewed a thousand times? Perhaps not - but if you're relying on conspiracy theories to boost your reading figures then we're in a pretty dangerous place.
 

editor

hiraethified
Perhaps not - but if you're relying on conspiracy theories to boost your reading figures then we're in a pretty dangerous place.
"In pretty dangerous place." Have you any idea how ridiculous you sound?

It was one, clearly labelled and attributed LibDem post out of 6,407 posts. And I gave the reason why I copy and pasted it.

Moreover, it got the discussion started both on the site and on FB, it informed a lot of people who were perhaps concerned about what was going on, and helped compel Labour to send out clear information about the process.

And your sole practical alternative? Do absolutely fuck all.

That Buzz post has helped inform people in the community. If I had time I would have done it another way, but it was better than nothing, and certainly more use to the community than your endless complaining here.
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
Hmm, let's play "count the councillor" in those pics of "doorsteppers" (doorsteppers traditionally being members of the local branch, not ringers).
From top row, left to right: 1 cllr; 1 cllr; 4 cllrs.
2nd row, left to right: 1 cllr; 3 cllrs; 1 cllr.
3rd row, left to right: 4 cllrs; 1 cllr; 1 cllr.
Bottom: 2 cllrs.

This kind of illustrates a big issue with Lambeth Labour - a falling number of local branch members who are prepared to actually canvass. It used to be that every local branch had a steady team of at least half a dozen, but with the movement leftward of local branches, fewer people are prepared to mobilise to put yet another right-winger in as a cllr. Why should they have, given that the candidate that won in Thornton has expressed some intolerant views - pretty much generic to most Christian Evangelicals - in the past?
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
Hmm, let's play "count the councillor" in those pics of "doorsteppers" (doorsteppers traditionally being members of the local branch, not ringers).
From top row, left to right: 1 cllr; 1 cllr; 4 cllrs.
2nd row, left to right: 1 cllr; 3 cllrs; 1 cllr.
3rd row, left to right: 4 cllrs; 1 cllr; 1 cllr.
Bottom: 2 cllrs.

This kind of illustrates a big issue with Lambeth Labour - a falling number of local branch members who are prepared to actually canvass. It used to be that every local branch had a steady team of at least half a dozen, but with the movement leftward of local branches, fewer people are prepared to mobilise to put yet another right-winger in as a cllr. Why should they have, given that the candidate that won in Thornton has expressed some intolerant views - pretty much generic to most Christian Evangelicals - in the past?
I keep an eye on their twitter and there is a high ratio of councillors to activists. Although tbf they do have a lot of councillors
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Lambeth shouldn't be attending this event.

See Savills are attending. On the Hero of Switzerland thread I pointed out that Savills were used by developers to try to get zero affordable housing on the new development in the planning application.

The Hero Of Switzerland

Also see Jo Negrini is attending. Now the Chief executive at Croydon after showing how useful she is to New Labour Councils by her work as so. called Brixton Neighborhood manager. Attempting to bulldoze "improvements" onto the community. Also called involving the community. Had a couple of run ins with her. Neither my fault.

Her ability to get the job done led her to top job in Croydon. Plus she ticks all the diversity boxes.

Slightly officious, knows which side her bread is buttered. A typical top local government officer.

Didn't get her way on Windrush Square. The community she was "managing" stood up to her on that one.
 
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BusLanes

Pedestrian
Well hopefully with the Greens now having a Streatham based MEP and the Lib Dems sweeping Lambeth decisively, the council staff will be slightly more circumspect in their natural sympathy to their long term political bosses.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Well hopefully with the Greens now having a Streatham based MEP and the Lib Dems sweeping Lambeth decisively, the council staff will be slightly more circumspect in their natural sympathy to their long term political bosses.
Election results for Lambeth, 23 May 2019 | Lambeth Council

Percentage of votes per party. Yes LDs had outstanding result.

Surprised Greens didn't get more. I know several Labour party members who told me they were going to vote Green because Green party opposed Brexit.

I heard Diane Abbott on radio this morning being asked to explain Labour parties position on Brexit. I still don't understand it. Its trying to be all things to all people on Brexit. Labour party is in an impossible position. As large mainstream party it needs votes across the country.

LDs remind me a bit of Brexit party. LDs after working with Tories were finished. The whole LD reason to be is now opposing Brexit. They have successfully persuaded people that LD= Remain. Forget tuition fees, forget aiding Tory government with austerity. Brexit party is leave means leave. Forget Farage leading UKIP the anti immigrant party.

Both LDs and Brexit party are one issue parties.

IMO the country is more divided than it was. If there is second referendum I don't think, seeing Brexit party vote, that its a foregone conclusion that second referendum will lead to remain vote.

Inner London was always Remain. And that includes the working class. I rarely meet a Brexit supporter.
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
Being single issue for European elections was a natural follow on from the 2016 referendum policy choice of the Lib Dems. Lots of angst no doubt as to whether it was the right choice up until May 2 then 23 when I paid off at long last.

Local Lib Dems still have quite a lot of activists too, which can be demonstrated by all the leaflets
 
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BusLanes

Pedestrian
I suspect the LDs probably have more local activists (who'll deliver or the like) than the Greens but that advantage is countered by the Greens having 5 councillors and therefore access to the council.
 
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CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Election results for Lambeth, 23 May 2019 | Lambeth Council

Percentage of votes per party. Yes LDs had outstanding result.

Surprised Greens didn't get more. I know several Labour party members who told me they were going to vote Green because Green party opposed Brexit.

LDs remind me a bit of Brexit party. LDs after working with Tories were finished. The whole LD reason to be is now opposing Brexit. They have successfully persuaded people that LD= Remain. Forget tuition fees, forget aiding Tory government with austerity. Brexit party is leave means leave. Forget Farage leading UKIP the anti immigrant party.

Both LDs and Brexit party are one issue parties.
I don't agree about the Lib Dems. It's just that fortunately for them Vince, or whoever ran the campaign, chose to focus purely on the matter in hand - ie remaining in the EU and choosing sensible MEPs.

I am glad that Scott Ainsley won his Euro seat. At least as the budding Brian Blessed of the Green Party he ought to be able to make himself heard in the European Parliament.

I must admit I voted Lib Dem - and expect to be auto-expelled from the Greens tout de suite. I was hoping that Jonathan Fryer, who I know slightly, would be elected as an MEP. Jonathan, who used to be a World Service correspondent would have made an excellent MEP in my view, but he was number 4 on the Lib Dem list so "just" missed out on this crazy de hondt voting system we use for the Euros.

Final point about 3 weeks ago I went to a Lib Dem meeting in Merton and was impressed at the optimism and commitment of the workers. There are 6 Lib Dem councillors in Merton, and they don't seem to have the paralysis of the old guard Lambeth Lib Dems who were smited for dabbling with Tory coalitions both locally and nationally.

Be interesting to see if Merton Lib Dems grow and if they keep their hands clean.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Being single issue for European elections was a natural follow on from the 2016 referendum policy choice of the Lib Dems. Lots of angst no doubt as to whether it was the right choice up until May 2 then 23 when I paid off at long last.

Local Lib Dems still have quite a lot of activists too, which can be demonstrated by all the leaflets
This is the problem. I know that LDs are pro Remain. They keep going on about it.

But what I don't get is what kind of pro Remain.

I was chatting to my Spanish partner and her Spanish friend recently. They don't want Brexit. But both agreed the EU was a "mafia". That perhaps it would be better if it folded. If you are Spanish , not rich, then as well as internal Spanish issues the EU stuffed you in the economic crisis.

Why do I have Spanish partner? One reason is that due to the economic crisis in Spain, and as Spain was in Euro, the lack of national government control of economy meant many Spanish found they were having really hard time. So came here.

The Euro and EU enforced austerity has hit the working class in other EU countries.

So what are the LDs saying on EU neo liberal economic policy? On making EU democratic?

I'm a reluctant Remainer. Remain because it was pushed by the right here. UKIP anti immigration. Brexit imo in this country is reactionary right wing Brexit.
 
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BusLanes

Pedestrian
This is the problem. I know that LDs are pro Remain. They keep going on about it.

But what I don't get is what kind of pro Remain.

I was chatting to my Spanish partner and her Spanish friend recently. They don't want Brexit. But both agreed the EU was a "mafia". That perhaps it would be better if it folded. If you are Spanish , not rich, then as well as internal Spanish issues the EU stuffed you in the economic crisis.

Why do I have Spanish partner? One reason is that due to the economic crisis in Spain, and as Spain was in Euro, the lack of national government control of economy meant many Spanish found they were having really hard time. So came here.

The Euro and EU enforced austerity has hit the working class in other EU countries.

So what are the LDs saying on EU neo liberal economic policy? On making EU democratic?

I'm a reluctant Remainer. Remain because it was pushed by the right here. UKIP anti immigration. Brexit imo in this country is reactionary right wing Brexit.
Problem with Brexit and EuRef is that it sucked out the nuances.

Think we should have had a two year campaign so we could have had that debate rather than the hurried mess we had.

I'm a remainer in part because of the people lining up with Leave in 2015, because I like internationalism and because I have an especial horror of war in Europe (which was made clear after Russia invaded Ukraine in 14).
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I don't agree with "Citizens assemblies". This isn't democracy. Its not furthering local democracy.
Its the one thing where I part company with XR.
Its intrinsically undemocratic. To call them Citizens assemblies is a misnomer.
I understand from a Greek friend that the Athens democracy was run like this from about 500BC - 322BC.
To be more precise all male free citizens were expected to turn up and speak and vote on the issues of the day.
Not women and slaves.

In the modern form assembly members are supposed to be chosen by sortition (lot or random selection - like jury service).
Personally I don't feel bound by this, any more than I feel bound by a referendum based on lies and distortion.

Apart from the question of whether the assembly members are competent to judge scientific issues, the perennial question is who prepares the agenda and the evidence? I was always taught at school - GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)
 
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