Lakota Sioux Indians Declare Sovereign Nation Status!

[Dillinger4]

The problem is the kind of rights they have under the Canadian/BC (or other province) govt.

The State/Province will only stretch as far as to give them rights as a minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_rights

The term minority rights embodies two separate concepts: first, normal individual rights as applied to members of racial, ethnic, class, religious, linguistic or sexual minorities, and second, collective rights accorded to minority groups. The term may also apply simply to individual rights of anyone who is not part of a majority decision.

The key term here being individual.

What the Indigenous Peoples want (and what is offered by the the Declaration) is a change towards them having Group Rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_rights

Group rights are rights that all members of a group have in certain countries, solely by virtue of being in that group. Hence, group rights are not universalized as individual rights are, since not all individuals have the same rights, except in countries where all individuals are guaranteed the same rights.

This would give them rights as an Indigenous Person, instead of an individual in a minority.

It is possible, of course, to have both minority and group rights.

 

[newharper]

It's your name. He's deferring to you on principle.

That J.C. is an accusation of racism.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It would be the equivelent of the Declaration on Human Rights. It is all about their rights. Indigenous Peoples would be able to refer their claims to a higher authority. Have a quick glance over that declaration, it is not long, and it uses pretty clear language.

But it's our problem, and we're dealing with it.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The problem is the kind of rights they have under the Canadian/BC (or other province) govt.

The State/Province will only stretch as far as to give them rights as a minority.

.

You're forgetting that they also have all the same rights that any other Canadian has.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This would give them rights as an Indigenous Person, instead of an individual in a minority.

It is possible, of course, to have both minority and group rights.

Yes. It's called 'special status', ie different classes of citizens within the same country.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

That J.C. is an accusation of racism.

If it's racism, it's racism against you and yours.

 

[soulman]

You're forgetting that they also have all the same rights that any other Canadian has.

I'm not up to speed on Canadian land rights Johnny. So I'd appreciate your help here. Does the Canadian State own land, the government, the military etc...

 

[Dillinger4]

You're forgetting that they also have all the same rights that any other Canadian has.

They don't want rights given to them by the Canadian state. They want to decide their own fate, as it were.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They don't want rights given to them by the Canadian state. They want to decide their own fate, as it were.

Does that mean they want to be cut off from the largesse available via the Canadian taxpayer? They don't pay taxes, btw.

Do you have any notion of what's available to aboriginals via the govt, from free university, to cheap petrol, to free housing?

 

[Dillinger4]

Does that mean they want to be cut off from the largesse available via the Canadian taxpayer? They don't pay taxes, btw.

Do you have any notion of what's available to aboriginals via the govt, from free university, to cheap petrol, to free housing?

Yeh I do. One of the founding myths of Canada is that it has treated the first nations peoples fairly.

But from what I am reading here, those assumptions made about the first nation peoples have been demolished over the past thirty years through first nations advocacy, scholarly analysis, and public investigations.

Residential schools, not that long ago hailed as the route to native economic salvation, have shown to be oppressive instruments of cultural domination.

Investigations of the Canadian treaty process, long lauded as an appropiate and peaceful alternatie to the American experiance of land conflict and wars of occupation, have revealed the strong hand of the government in the negotiation process and a pattern of government neglect and mismanegement following the initial settlements.

The final report of the Royal Comminsion on Aboriginal Peoples (RCAP) released in 1996, echoed what first nations leaders and academics have been arguing for many years: That the admininistration of indigenous affairs in Canada was dominated by colonialist and racist assumptions; that first nations peoples have suffered grievious social, cultural and economic harm through these processes; and that contemporary Aboriginal anger and political unrest is rooted in this history of oppression.

 

[newharper]

If it's racism, it's racism against you and yours.

Err yes.

Is that then permissible?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeh I do. One of the founding myths of Canada is that it has treated the first nations peoples fairly..

I'm not sure who in Canada subscribes to that myth. I think what Canadians say, is that we treated native americans relatively better than the americans did, in that we didn't try to emulate the american wars of extermination directed at natives.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeh I do. One of the founding myths of Canada is that it has treated the first nations peoples fairly.

But from what I am reading here, those assumptions made about the first nation peoples have been demolished over the past thirty years through first nations advocacy, scholarly analysis, and public investigations.

Residential schools, not that long ago hailed as the route to native economic salvation, have shown to be oppressive instruments of cultural domination.

Investigations of the Canadian treaty process, long lauded as an appropiate and peaceful alternatie to the American experiance of land conflict and wars of occupation, have revealed the strong hand of the government in the negotiation process and a pattern of government neglect and mismanegement following the initial settlements.

The final report of the Royal Comminsion on Aboriginal Peoples (RCAP) released in 1996, echoed what first nations leaders and academics have been arguing for many years: That the admininistration of indigenous affairs in Canada was dominated by colonialist and racist assumptions; that first nations peoples have suffered grievious social, cultural and economic harm through these processes; and that contemporary Aboriginal anger and political unrest is rooted in this history of oppression.

Dude, you've been plagiarizing.

http://books.google.com/books?id=gd...IbD&sig=Y3_471M3rM9s8AR-9XK34sevQpk#PPA223,M1

 

[Dillinger4]

Dude, you've been plagiarizing.

http://books.google.com/books?id=gd...IbD&sig=Y3_471M3rM9s8AR-9XK34sevQpk#PPA223,M1

Of course. I could never write as well as that! But from other stuff I have read as well, I mostly agree with it ^^

 

[mears]

Interesting, as much for what it may trigger among the other Native American tribes, as for the specific attempt a secession.

I mean really man, what planet are you on? Secession among Native American tribes? I work with American Indians (or Native Americans) and socialize with native Americans and they are not talking about starting a war with the US government. Most are focused on tribal afiiliation and the huge money to be made in casino gambling on the reservations.

Besides, native Americans only make up around 1% of the US population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_(US)

Of course the treatment of Native Americans by the US government was inexcusable and did amount to ethnic cleansing, in my opinion.

 

[newharper]

Besides, native Americans only make up around 1% of the US population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_(US)

The relevance of that to their lawyers being?

Glad to see that you admit your country was built on ethnic cleansing.

 

[october_lost]

Besides, native Americans only make up around 1% of the US population.

Whats their population breakdown got to do with anything? They have right to independence, no?

Of course the treatment of Native Americans by the US government was inexcusable and did amount to ethnic cleansing, in my opinion.

 

[Dimitris]

Download the complete Declaration of Continuing Independence

http://www.lakotafreedom.com/declarationofcontinuingindependence.pdf

 

[Dillinger4]

Whats their population breakdown got to do with anything? They have right to independence, no?

Of course, their population breakdown would probably be significantly higher if their forefathers had not been murdered.

 

[Dillinger4]

Download the complete Declaration of Continuing Independence

http://www.lakotafreedom.com/declarationofcontinuingindependence.pdf

Cheers! That is really useful for this thing I am writing!