Lack of activity here today?

[tobyjug]

That was yesterday tobes. On News 24 (watched by how many?). Today's appearances in court was shown on C4 which I believe has a slightly bigger audience.

It was today actually.

 

[audiotech]

It was today actually.

FFS

Over 600 people from across the north of England rallied in Leeds on Monday of this week...
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=8134

Today is Tuesday if you hadn't noticed.

If you're gonna put scorn on something, get your facts straight.

 

[tobyjug]

FFS

Today is Tuesday if you hadn't noticed.

Yes I had noticed there was a similar scene this afternoon on the live broadcast on BBC News 24.

 

[audiotech]

Yes I had noticed there was a similar scene this afternoon on the live broadcast on BBC News 24.

It was reported on C4 that there was no counter demo tody (Tuesday) are they lying?.

 

[tobyjug]

It was reported on C4 that there was no counter demo tody (Tuesday) are they lying?.

They must have been blind large number of opposing factions glaring at each other with several hundred plod in the middle of the road keeping them apart.

 

[audiotech]

They must have been blind large number of opposing factions glaring at each other with several hundred plod in the middle of the road keeping them apart.

Did the BBC repeat what happened yesterday perhaps?

 

[treelover]

Anti-Facism/Racism seems to be the only thing that motivates students these days.

 

[lewislewis]

Have look at how many votes extremist parties get in other countries before you start to panic.
I would also comment don't be fooled into thinking an 800000 vote means 800000 supporters.

Wales, still free of fascist councillors and may it be so forever.

Good luck to all anti-fascist campaigns in England, keep fighting them.

 

[Lava]

brain activity?
No more than usual imo.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

So we should just let a few hundred fascists turn up in our city unopposed? I'm sure that would make the local black population feel great! I don't support state bans or relying upon the state to control fascist as UAF does but being against demo cause it give the BNP publicity is bollocks.

We need to show people that the BNP are opposed by people, and thats what these demos do. However I would much prefer it if UAF dropped this pacifist stance of peaceful protest against fascism and using your vote and adopted a more militant no platform policy as thats the only way to properly tackle fascism. That and giving class answers to the problems affecting working class people who are disillusioned with Labour and left-wing politics, another thing UAF doesn't do.

Also their self-congratulatory rallies don't help much either. The last two protests were stopped around lunchtime so UAF could hold a short rally down the road from the protest after which most of the people dispersed. If the protests were carried into the evening as the BNP's are, then when Griffin comes out at the end of the day and gives a little speech to his fascist supporters it could be drowned out by the shouts of several hundread anti-fascists.

What's stopping your organisation doing this yourself or are you relying on UAF or the SWP for the numbers?

 

[Sucram]

What's stopping your organisation doing this yourself or are you relying on UAF or the SWP for the numbers?

Fristly we don't go in for little squaddist actions by a few hard blokes, we leave that upto the gung-ho anarchists. We're a small group so trying to implement this ourselves would be just that. What we do, where possible is argue within UAF for it to adopt a militant no platform policy, link anti-fascism with anti-racism/asylum seeker campaigns and provide class answers to the problems facing working class people, rather than just yelling "The BNP is a Nazi party!" which is all they do now.

Its not relying on them for numbers, its about providing an organisation for people to join who wish to take part in militant anti-fascism and which will campaign on both anti-fascist and anti-racist issues but who perhaps don't want to sign up to a revolutionary socialist organisation. Thats what UAF should be, a united front against fascism and racism, not this populist alliance between the SWP who want to cuddle up with the liberals, and tories who are scared of the BNP stealing their votes. At the moment UAF isn't actually doing anything to stop fascism, at the most just stall it in the cities while it continues to grow in working class communities outside the major metropolitan areas.

And I wouldn't rely on the SWP, they stopped taking a militant line against fascism a while ago. On Mondays demo their members shouted us down whenever we tried to start up class concious or pro-immigrant/asylum seeker chants. And people wonder why class conciousness is low.

 

[tobyjug]

Did the BBC repeat what happened yesterday perhaps?

No, it was live from in the street outside the court.

 

[jimmer]

Fristly we don't go in for little squaddist actions by a few hard blokes, we leave that upto the gung-ho anarchists. We're a small group so trying to implement this ourselves would be just that. What we do, where possible is argue within UAF for it to adopt a militant no platform policy, link anti-fascism with anti-racism/asylum seeker campaigns and provide class answers to the problems facing working class people, rather than just yelling "The BNP is a Nazi party!" which is all they do now.

I'm sorry but there is no way you'll ever be able to get the UAF to adopt a militant no platform policy, you're kidding yourself if you think it'll ever adopt a policy the SWP CC don't want it to. Why not get involved in Antifa and try and make it more successful rather than wasting your time...

 

[Sucram]

I'm sorry but there is no way you'll ever be able to get the UAF to adopt a militant no platform policy, you're kidding yourself if you think it'll ever adopt a policy the SWP CC don't want it to. Why not get involved in Antifa and try and make it more successful rather than wasting your time...

Don't worry we won't be wasting our time trying to change the whole organisation, just win the argument in our local UAF branch for combined anti-fascist/anti-racist campaigning and organised defence squads for demos and the like. I don't have any illusions about reforming the organisation, just causing enough fuss to get some notice and show them how proper anti-fascism is done.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

Don't worry we won't be wasting our time trying to change the whole organisation, just win the argument in our local UAF branch for combined anti-fascist/anti-racist campaigning and organised defence squads for demos and the like. I don't have any illusions about reforming the organisation, just causing enough fuss to get some notice and show them how proper anti-fascism is done.

I think your best bet is Antifa by the looks of things rather than UAF.