Labour + Anti Semitism

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by cantsin, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    So on a day when you'd have thought the PLP might be aflame with attacks on Cameron, Osborne and their fellow 1. % ers, instead Progress's 8 point plan to combat alleged LP anti semitism seems to be a much bigger preoccupation for many of the usual suspects .

    Don't know if anyone's looked into this deeper than me ( wldnt be hard ) , but so far the evidence I've seen mentioned supporting the idea of a wave of LP anti semitism is 2 / 3 weirdos on Twitter spouting crap, and a resignation from / subsequent investigation of Ox Uni Lab Club that never seems to throw up anything concrete / otherwise .

    Anyone else highly suspicious here, on all sorts of fronts ? ( ie : usual attempts to smear opponents of Israeli illegal occupation / settlements/ oppression, - blatant attempt to undermine Corbo / McDonnell / Milne - desperation of Progress to reassert in any way they can - wider, global attempts to delegitimise anti Zionism / # BDS etc etc ) .

    From late 80s SWP membership, to now, have personally barely come across anyone I even suspected of anti semitism on the left ( dodgy Cnut on a Palstine march long time ago, some anarchos shut him up,+ a div last year who mentioned ' Zionist Bankers' on Twitter, and then went quiet when challenged ) , does anyone have different experiences / is this in any way more legit than it looks?
     
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  2. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    It's just nutpicking and the conflation of legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.
     
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  3. keybored

    keybored #NeverUseTheInternetAgain

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  4. nino_savatte

    nino_savatte No pasaran!

    Any claim that the Labour Party is somehow uniquely anti-Semitic is easily shot down when you consider that the Tories and Kippers have their own anti-Semites.

    What these Progressites/Blairites/whatever-you-want-to-call-them (I think WoodCOCK, Dugher and Angela Smith are the main instigators behind the latest smears tbh) are trying to claim is that Corbyn is "soft" on anti-Semitism, which is bullshit. They're also claiming there's a "growth" in anti-Semitism, which is also frankly bullshit.
     
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  5. flyingcolumn

    flyingcolumn Active Member

    Who are the weirdos you speak of?
     
  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    cantsin
     
  7. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    Edit
     
  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    :(
     
  9. rioted

    rioted redundant

  10. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

  11. rioted

    rioted redundant

    Shall I cut and paste? Goes into the allegations (and debunks them) in detail?
     
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  12. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    if you want yeah sounds nice
     
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  13. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    None of this is at all surprising. Many Progress members - and those who are ideologically-aligned with them, but aren't members (i.e. the likes of Umunna) - are members of Labour Friends of Israel. They've already drunk the pro-Zionist Kool-Aid, so it's hardly surprising that they're using a hobby-horse as a means of attacking the Labour leadership.

    As for encountering anti-Semites in political activism, I've come across a few - all white, all middle-class, all exercising that sort of entitled behaviour where they scorn anyone to hand who doesn't measure up to their particular gauge of what left political activism is. The sort who say things of Jews such as "but they won't fight for the country they're born in, only Israel", and believe it to be fair comment.
     
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  14. rioted

    rioted redundant

    Too long. 20 pages!
     
  15. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    apols, replied '?' to yr post, before working out purpose of your tagging me in ( so to speak)
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    just to alert you to flying column, nothing more
     
  17. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    totes - (and my "" weirdos" is prob lazy / dismissive / potentially violating peoples safe spaces or sthn, but the.... " is me trying to reply to FC, then screwing up my response to you blah blah
     
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  18. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

  19. mk12

    mk12 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure there are anti-semites on the left, just as there are anti-semites on the right. Vicki Kirby, vice-chair of Labour's Woking branch, is certainly one of them, and she should have been kicked out of the party for her comments. I haven't personally come across any blatantly anti-Semitic lefties, but I am suspicious of some 'anti-Zionists' that I have met.
     
  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

  21. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    It can be weird where it crops up. There are a good number of Hillary Clinton supporters peddling anti-Semitic tropes in the US for example, and I think Paxman's comment about Ed being a 'North London Geek' during the leadership debates last year was obvious dog whistle anti-Semitism. The trouble with the current push to label everyone on the left as an anti-Semite, and to equate all Jews with the agenda of the Israeli government, is that it devalues the currency of what should be a very serious accusation and means that many will be unable or unwilling to identify genuine cases of it especially when they come from somewhere other than the left as it usually does.
     
  22. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    I think that some of the clearest evidence that these accusations are being used as just another weapon is the case of Rachel Bradshaw, someone actually went to the trouble of fabricating anti-Semitic social media posts in order to get her kicked out of the party.
     
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  23. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

  24. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Well if the definition is hasn't personally killed for the state of Israel :facepalm: then I imagine most of the left could be accessed of that:).

    Some IDF veterans should really stay off the internet:(.
     
  25. mk12

    mk12 Well-Known Member

    Another Labour councillor suspended from the party for tweeting that Hitler was the 'greatest man in history'. :facepalm:
     
  26. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    It should perhaps be pointed out that the tweet in question was from October 2011, when the councillor was fourteen or fifteen years old. (edit)It should further be pointed out that she was elected in May 2015.
     
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  27. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Obviously I am fine with her being rooted out but that's a pretty obscure thing to just come across. Unless it was just by chance someone or some group, or I suppose journos, must be doing it to every elected Labour official at the moment.
     
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  28. co-op

    co-op Free the rhubarb crumble!

    Miliband got all sorts of weird a-s stuff, some of it so under the radar that it was probably unconscious, remember all the fuss about his eating a bacon sandwich? He wasn't showing sufficient relish at shovelling the pork in, not really a converso.
     
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  29. mk12

    mk12 Well-Known Member

    Not something that most 15 year olds come out with though, is it?

    She also tweeted that 'the Jews are so powerful in the US it's disgusting'.
     
  30. mk12

    mk12 Well-Known Member

    Apparently it was found by the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism (CAAS).
     

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