Labour – a party fit for imperialism - Book launch 12-11-14

[articul8]

ok, i was wrong: your politics are at best at the proto-political stage.

The question is how to move from the understanding the political to politics as such....

 

[Pickman's model]

The question is how to move from the understanding the political to politics as such....

the question you should be asking is, even assuming you're right that having people in parliament from a working class background is in and of itself a good thing, given the political class we see in all political parties, how do you expect meaningful political change to come through parliament?

 

[articul8]

the question you should be asking is, even assuming you're right that having people in parliament from a working class background is in and of itself a good thing, given the political class we see in all political parties, how do you expect meaningful political change to come through parliament?

a) I never said that - people like Alan Johnson and Hazel Blears come from working class backgrounds but I wouldn't trust them with an infinitely long barge pole. And, yes, no way meaningful change can come exclusively from Parliament. The question is whether - given the way elections are generally seen as some yardstick of political opinion - that pro-working class forces would benefit from abstaining altogether from seriously trying to contest these positions in some form or other.

 

[Pickman's model]

a) I never said that - people like Alan Johnson and Hazel Blears come from working class backgrounds but I wouldn't trust them with an infinitely long barge pole. And, yes, no way meaningful change can come exclusively from Parliament. The question is whether - given the way elections are generally seen as some yardstick of political opinion - that pro-working class forces would benefit from abstaining altogether from seriously trying to contest these positions in some form or other.

what's b)?

 

[articul8]

b) is up my sleeve in case of emergencies.

 

[Pickman's model]

b) is up my sleeve in case of emergencies.

perhaps you should produce it now then.

 

[butchersapron]

b) is up my sleeve in case of emergencies.

Does involve squawking John McDonnell! John McDonnell! If it does, you've already tried that one.

 

[Pickman's model]

Does involve squawking John McDonnell! John McDonnell! If it does, you've already tried that one.

john mcdonnell john mcdonnell johnny johnny mcdonnell mcdonnell john mcdonnell john mcdonnell etc etc ad nauseam

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

 

[gamerunknown]

See, John McDonnell undergoes a process of titration*: the less his name is invoked, the more powerful it is.

* Woo, not volumetric.

 

[Pickman's model]

See, John McDonnell undergoes a process of titration*: the less his name is invoked, the more powerful it is.

* Woo, not volumetric.

by invoking mcdonnell you've exceeded your tit-ration

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Who knew that American Maoists had a hard on for gabber?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Anyway, anyone got a PDF of this book? Can't find it anywhere.

 

[Limerick Red]

Anyway, anyone got a PDF of this book? Can't find it anywhere.

Ya could buy a copy

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Nah, my scanner isn't win 7 compatible.

So would be a waste of money really... Unless you want me to buy it and deliver to yours for OCR scanning... Though I fear the book might get infected with Trotskyite-Zinovievite counterrevolutionary tendencies in the post, if you get my drift.