liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
Suprisingly our second most winningnest captain
I have never thought he was captain material,would have preferred Gilly or Warnie.Not a bad striker of the ball,i am sure he could walk into a world 11.
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Suprisingly our second most winningnest captain
I have never thought he was captain material,would have preferred Gilly or Warnie.Not a bad striker of the ball,i am sure he could walk into a world 11.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
What a patriot though,i admire your passion young man.You are however wrong.I have just witnessed the best 3 test series ever.Sth Africa were superb,comming back from two pretty bad situations to win,and nearly forcing a draw in the third.They will be world number 1 for the next 3-5 years no doubt.Smith is the captain of captains,he leads by example and has the team as one.The are a brilliat team.A few that proved they were here to play were Dumity,Harris,Mornea the quick,De villes and Kallis.Boucher the wicket keeper hit a few knocks as well.We are in for it over there in 2 months
He wasn't rejected by South Africa, he came over here long before he had a chance to be considered by them.
Anyway, glad the job has now gone to the man who should have had it long ago.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He was left out of a regional side because of the quota system. Instead of staying and fighting for his place, he upped sticks and came here. He's your typical 'Englishman for convenience', and it does the England team no credit that he is in it. You should play for the country you learned the game in.
Graeme Smith is right to hold Pietersen in contempt.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Shame really, cunts like him are made to represent countries like South Africa.
Which is kinda the point really, he should have been playing for them cos he's South African.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Thing is, I can't stand Graeme Smith (he's an ugly batsman like Hayden, and equally annoyingly effective!), but he's gone up in my estimation for the contempt he shows for Pietersen.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24890595-23212,00.html
the best player in the world?????I think Ian Bell is a suck
the best player in the world?????I think Ian Bell is a suck
david dissadent
New Member
Pietersen is the only thing that makes Enlgand watchable. Now by all accounts fat Freddie has got the green eyed monster at him and him and the lanky cry baby were at the heart of the 'dressing room discontent'.
I can see why so many English hate Pietersen. He hates losing and that grates against the English cricketing psyche. They are more of the Athertons and Stewarts, lose with your heads held high types.
I can see why so many English hate Pietersen. He hates losing and that grates against the English cricketing psyche. They are more of the Athertons and Stewarts, lose with your heads held high types.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
be nice SF,at least ALL of our captains are born and raised here.Oh btw who has the ashes at the mo????.
Also you could be having an Aussie for your next coach,so it would pay not to put shit on us too much
OK, so I'm being farty, but Tom Horan and Percy McDonnell were born in Eire and the UK respectively.. more than half your first ever Test team were born overseas.. and you were quite happy to have for example Kepler Wessels before he decided he was South African again.. and western australia is basically Great Yarmouth shoved south..!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's bollocks. Stewart and, particularly, Atherton dug deep in an attempt to avoid losing. That their teams lost so regularly was down to the inadequacy of their teammates, not them.
IMO the jury is still out on Pietersen's greatness. He hasn't produced enough when it really matters to justify the claim yet, and gets out to poor shots too often.
He wanted to play test cricket and so went somewhere where he could - instead of having to wait in a queue behind those not as good as him due to a daft policy.
Spot on. I'd add to that the idiocy of coaching/selection methods at the time.
Watch Atherton's innings in Joburg in 1993/4 and tell me he was a loser. The man had balls to spare and didn't roll over for anybody.
Andrew Symonds - born in Birmingham. Oh, and the Australian RU team have never made any use of various Polynesians have they
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Anyway, Strauss. What do you reckon?
It does appear that he is England captain by default – in that he is the only half-credible candidate.
It does appear that he is England captain by default – in that he is the only half-credible candidate.
That would be true if it weren't for the fact that he should have been given it for the disastrous Australia tour only they bottled it and gave it to Able Seaman Flintoff instead. Strauss was Vaughan's obvious successor all along, it's just taken them 2 years or so to realise it.
waterloowelshy
Well-Known Member
thats it in a nutshell. hardly a glowing reccomendation for Strauss, but rather he is the best / only choice from a poor bunch. No other candidates to Strauss gets the job. Its going to be interesting with KP back in the team as he is clearly the better candidate and the preffered choice in the first place which should make for interesting team dynamics. I am thinking that Vaughan may be the best choice for captaincy for the ashes to be honest. Yes his form his woefull but i think his influence over the team cant be argued with and if they want team harmony for the ashes then i cant see anyone else that could do the job. Strauss will always know he is there by default and Vaughan is probably the only one that could control KP's ego and turn him back into a team player. All one rather large mess unfortunately.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I disagree that Pietersen was the best candidate. He is the best batsman, but that does not mean he is suited to captaincy. Botham was a shit captain. As was Lara. Stars sometimes need to be left to do their thing, like Tendulkar has been.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I think Strauss should have replaced Vaughan in the first place. KP just isn't captain material IMO, not that he lacks the nous for the job but his temprement still leaves a lot to be desired.
Does anyone still think it was a good idea to put Freddie in charge for the ashes?
Does anyone still think it was a good idea to put Freddie in charge for the ashes?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He was as good a captain as Botham.
How is Pietersen the 'better candidate'? Has Strauss run a transparent and poorly executed campaign in the press to get the coach sacked? Has he divided the dressing room down the middle? Does he only bother turning up so he can get himself an IPL deal?
I'm not sure anyone other than the ECB and Captain Pugwash himself thought it was at the time
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. Pietersen still has a lot to prove, imo. One big innings at the Oval after being dropped on a low score does not greatness make. For a so-called 'great', he is an extremely nervous starter.
You could also say that the innings at the Oval was merely recompense for his extraordinarily poor fielding in that series. He didn't get nearly enough criticism for his awful catching, imo.
You could also say that the innings at the Oval was merely recompense for his extraordinarily poor fielding in that series. He didn't get nearly enough criticism for his awful catching, imo.
waterloowelshy
Well-Known Member
No. But he is not an automatic selection for the one day squad. Therefore if you want one cpatain for both codes of the game then Strauss is not your man. If they have him as captaon for the one dayers and the tests for team unity then they will be admitting that he is not selected in the one day team on merit and will be taking somebody elses place.
