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Kong - Unanswered Questions

akirajoel

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Saw that Kong last night. Jesus Christ.

Had wanted to see it for ages and I really wanted to like it.

But what the fuck?

Disclaimer: I think lots of people really liked it because they saw it in a nice cinema with lots of people all reacting to the events on screen - but that can make any film seem cool.

It sets itself as being a step above most action films or whatever - buts its overlong. boring. and pretty wafer-thin. And overlong.

First of all - where the hell was the characterisation?

I mean - its nice in most films if the peopel act like human beings and react to things and change in someway or have some sort of story arc... King Kong seems to not be bothered with shit like that thou.

Jamie Bell's character Jack was completely unnessary - and seemed to have been put in merely as some sort of window dressing. What did he do? What did he add? What happened to him in the third act? Does anybody even care?

Diod it really have to be that long?

Jack Black (who I thought was one of the best things in it) - where was his development? What happened to his character? It all started off so well... And he carried the first act (which I thought was the best thing in the whole film). But then - at the and - nothing. Just that oh-so famous last line.

It was long wasn't it?

What was the point of Adrien Brodys character? And again - what happened to him in the last act? Its like they shoe-horned him in for no good reason. Oh - we need to give the girl a human love interest and someone to be with her after Kong drops off the Building. Part from that its like the character had no real reason to be there.

And Skull Island - those cool sluggly worm creatures aside - was rubbish. It was just like a showcase reel for Peter Jacksons Special Effects company (weta). Oh - lets have some dinos. Lets have some flying bats. Lets have some insects.

And it was all too long? No?

And other stuff:

How many times did he use that same slow-shutter effect? It really pissed me off. And it looks horrible.

Was it just me or did he re-use the same Enya-lite fairy music for the supposingly emotional bits in the city? Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.

How much padding was there? I mean... It really did not have to be that long. Did it?

What was the deal with the Ann Darrow? Did she love Kong or what? And isn't that a bit wierd? OR is that just me? A woman in long with an gaint monkey? I tried to explain it away by thinking of it was like when a person loves a dog or a cat. But even that doesn't quite work.

And: that ice-skating scene? Please. For pitys sake.

Finally: What was the point of this film? What did it have to say about the modern world? About the human condition? About anything? I mean - Revenge of the Bloody Sith manged to say more. And thats nothing more than a stupid toy commerical.

Is that supposed to be the point of Peter Jackson? That he indulges in "pure escapism" for the whole family. Wankfests for kids who love fantasy - coz the real world's too harsh for them? Gimme a break.

Its like - Jackson wanted to remake Kong as a vanity project (which is what the whole thing was) and then didn't realise that the original Kong didn't really have much in the way of a story. So then decided to pad it out. A lot.

Fuck it. It makes me so damn mad when I pay hard earned fucking money to go to the cinema and see a film and come away feeling so disappointed. There are good bits to the film and its not all bad. But still. I want my money back.

Don't believe the hype.
 
:D :D

Perhaps King Kong (which I haven't seen yet, but will be doing on Thursday) will join my list of boring films along with the Lord of the Rings trilogy - although I could only bear to watch 2 out of the 3, I'm pretty sure the 3rd won't be any less dull...

Why does he always make such bloody long films when there's no need for it?
 
akirajoel said:
Don't believe the hype.

Well I wouldn't....seen the original King Kong. Who needs to see the same fillum done with better special effects?
If you're gonna go see bollocks like that, why be surprised when it's, well, bollocks? ;)
 
Saw it the other day and I agree to an extent with all you say, just not as vehemently.

But overall it was not a bad film. I'm still thinking about the way Andy Serkis's one-eyed cockney died - that was horrific - and Jack Black put in a bloody good performance.

Yes there was some totally rubbish bits, it was padded out and way, way too long but I did enjoy it.

the one thing that really pissed me off though was when the made the ape unKongscious on Skull Island I was thinking how the hell are they gonna get it on the boat and back to New York? They'd never get it on that boat and if Kong woke up they'd be fucked.

So what did Jackson do? Cut the film to the Big Apple. Ridiculous.
 
That bit made me laugh.

It was obviously a question right from the start of the film when you saw the size of the boat... But the way they cut it straight to New York made it seem like Jackson was just like: "Erm... How are we gonna get him on the boat? And tie him up? And... Erm... Oh. Fuck it. It's too complicated. We'll just leave it out."

:)

Btw - "unKongscious"? Very good. :D
 
i was v disappointed with this

too long most definitely - i got bored so went for a pee in the overlong insects battling scene - dull dull dull

plus i have to say jack black was totally miscast - he is jack black and thats actually kind of distracting for me in this film

plus naomi watts was seemingly unable to close her mouth properly giving us endless soft porn puts - yuk
 
hotvans said:
too long most definitely - i got bored so went for a pee in the overlong insects battling scene - dull dull dull

Hrmph. I thought that was the best scene in the film.

Those penis worm sucking things were great.

And the scary looking seaman guy had a really cool death. (bit full on for a 12 thou...)
 
akirajoel said:
Hrmph. I thought that was the best scene in the film.

Those penis worm sucking things were great.

And the scary looking seaman guy had a really cool death. (bit full on for a 12 thou...)

Yeah, my girlf was proper screaming when the sailor died! It was well nasty.
 
That was Andy Serkis who got spacedocked by the penis worms wasn't it? He's a fantastic physical actor - did anyone spot him smoking and fleeing for his life simultaneously, earlier on in the stampede sequence?
 
akirajoel said:
First of all - where the hell was the characterisation?

I mean - its nice in most films if the peopel act like human beings and react to things and change in someway or have some sort of story arc... King Kong seems to not be bothered with shit like that thou.
Why do people have to change and have a story arc? People don't change much in real life.



akirajoel said:
Jack Black (who I thought was one of the best things in it) - where was his development? What happened to his character? It all started off so well...
Again, why do characters have to develop?


akirajoel said:
What was the deal with the Ann Darrow? Did she love Kong or what? And isn't that a bit wierd? OR is that just me? A woman in long with an gaint monkey? I tried to explain it away by thinking of it was like when a person loves a dog or a cat. But even that doesn't quite work.
Why doesn't that work? He saved her life, he exhibited some human emotions, he's about as articulate as most men. Can't you see the appeal?
 
Maggot said:
Why do people have to change and have a story arc? People don't change much in real life

1. Because otherwises its boring.
2. There aren't many Giant Apes in real life either.

Maggot said:
Again, why do characters have to develop?

Do you really just wanna watch someone sit in a room for two hours? Characters develop because its an interesting thing to watch and it makes you feel like you're getting somewhere with something - instead of thinking that you've just wasted 3 plus hours of your life watching - for lack of a better term - a middle-age wankfest.

Maggot said:
Why doesn't that work? He saved her life, he exhibited some human emotions, he's about as articulate as most men. Can't you see the appeal?

No. He's an Giant fucking Ape. Am I the only one that noticed this??? Its all a bit stupid really.
 
akirajoel said:
No. He's an Giant fucking Ape. Am I the only one that noticed this??? Its all a bit stupid really.

So you wanted him to just, like, scratch himself and eat bananas for 3 plus hours?

You didn't want any character development?

Would that not have been a bit, like, boring?
 
I know that some people get piss-y about me posted up bits of reviews and stuff - but this article managed to sum up all of my feelings about the film. I love Charlie Brooker. :)

Charlie Brooker (The Guardian)

If there'd been a scene in which Kong went to the toilet, it would've run like this: 1) Kong unfurls his 10km penis and piddles into an erupting volcano for 45 minutes; 2) Kong turns around and passes a stool the size of a blue whale, in slow motion, to the strains of a 20,000-strong choir, while Naomi Watts stares at him, her eyes brimming with love; 3) his bowels emptied, Kong plucks the planet Jupiter out of the sky and swallows it for no reason, while fighting 15 giant crocodiles. And a robot. And a pig.

:D

Link
 
I think I said in the other thread, the overly long lingering shots got really fucking irritating. If all you did was cut 50% out of every lingering shot you could have shaved 50 mins off the film and lost NOTHING.

I was watching it, and it would be a scene like where she was looking at her love on the boat, and I would be there going oh I understand there is a love brewing, then I was thinking, ok, I got the idea, could we move on now, then I was thinking, fuckit I go put the kettle on, then I was thinking, I just pop down the shop, then I was thinking, ok I take a little nap.

Then the scene cut to another one.

I like Peter Jackson, but this is certainly without a shadow of a doubt the worst movie he has made so far.

He made better movies when he had a budget of 30 quid.
 
I loved it, it was just simple cinematography, something I could pick and watch here and there, the film you'd put on when you'd have a bunch of friends round so you can all relate on the whole "ITS A GIANT APE" talk

The only question I asked myself was how did they get Kong back to NYC. The answer, dismissed and that was genius. Jackson did the cowardly thing of ignoring the problem, like a real man. He knew everyone was dying to know how he'd get around it, and I love the fact he had enough balls to say "fuck you, I can't be arsed"

If you believed all the hype, of course you're gonna be disappointed. There was ALOT of hype, much more exceeding the end result, like the Matrix 2/3, the hype for that was so incredible, number 2/3 really had no chance of overtaking Matrix1.

Meh
 
P3D2E-K47 said:
If you believed all the hype, of course you're gonna be disappointed. There was ALOT of hype, much more exceeding the end result, like the Matrix 2/3, the hype for that was so incredible, number 2/3 really had no chance of overtaking Matrix1.

The Matrix sequels weren't shit because of over-hype - they're shit because they are shit.

End of.

:p
 
akirajoel said:
The Matrix sequels weren't shit because of over-hype - they're shit because they are shit.

End of.

:p

Couldn't agree more. The matrix sequels weren't rubbish cause of Hype, they were rubbish cause they made little to no sense and the ending was the biggest bag of crap you could ever imagine. Was funny cause there hundreds of better endings on numerous Matrix sites where fans were talking about how it could develop.

The annoying thing with Kong was it was soo ridiculous, people keep talking about how did they get it back to NY.

Fuck that, how did they get it back to the ship? All they had were little 8 foot row boats, the damn ape was 30 feet tall must have weighed in at 2 ton easy, how the hell they even get it to the ship? Let alone to NY.

Also the boat master just HAPPENED to be a big game hunter and just what sort of game was he hunting to be running around with like 4 huge bottles of Chloroform? What the fuck do you hunt with Chloroform? Are you kidding me Jackson? You couldn't come up with anything better then that?

It isn't even difficult either, all you had to do was say that Jack Black's character got the whole idea of skull island from the Capt and was using the studios money to fund the captain's expedition while using the capt's expedition to film his movie. This would have allowed you to factor in things like 4 big bottles of Chloroform and would have allowed him the means to add a way of getting the ape to the boat.

Instead he makes a film with huge fucking great big holes in it.

If he had spent more time fixing the holes in the movie and less time sitting around on lingering shots it would have been a hell of a lot better.
 
Fong said:
Couldn't agree more. The matrix sequels weren't rubbish cause of Hype, they were rubbish cause they made little to no sense and the ending was the biggest bag of crap you could ever imagine. Was funny cause there hundreds of better endings on numerous Matrix sites where fans were talking about how it could develop.

The annoying thing with Kong was it was soo ridiculous, people keep talking about how did they get it back to NY.

Fuck that, how did they get it back to the ship? All they had were little 8 foot row boats, the damn ape was 30 feet tall must have weighed in at 2 ton easy, how the hell they even get it to the ship? Let alone to NY.

Also the boat master just HAPPENED to be a big game hunter and just what sort of game was he hunting to be running around with like 4 huge bottles of Chloroform? What the fuck do you hunt with Chloroform? Are you kidding me Jackson? You couldn't come up with anything better then that?

It isn't even difficult either, all you had to do was say that Jack Black's character got the whole idea of skull island from the Capt and was using the studios money to fund the captain's expedition while using the capt's expedition to film his movie. This would have allowed you to factor in things like 4 big bottles of Chloroform and would have allowed him the means to add a way of getting the ape to the boat.

Instead he makes a film with huge fucking great big holes in it.

If he had spent more time fixing the holes in the movie and less time sitting around on lingering shots it would have been a hell of a lot better.
IT DOESN'T MATTER! It's got a giant ape in it terrorizing New York - that's far-fetched enough - it's a fantasy - none of it makes sense.
 
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