Know anything about a cyclist/HGV collision yesterday?
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Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
According to one article pointed out on http://velorution.biz 85% of cyclists killed in london in the few years before 2004 were women. I may have that slightly wrong and can't check because i'm posting from my mobile. But the general point was that women generally don't tend to ride assertively enough, and thus are more vulnerable on the road. In my experience this is certainly true - most of the female cyclists that i see either cycle on the pavement, or cycle very slowly and timidly on the road, very close to the kerb, etc. I think they're right to point out that all cyclists should ride assertively but very defensively.
Cyclist rides under the wheels of an HGV (who is obliged to turn left at a junction)... hmmm. I hope the guy on the bike is ok because I'd feel terrible calling a dead guy a dick head.
Cyclists should be treated the same as motorbike riders, they should be obliged to take a test before being allowed to ride and they should also have insurance and be subject to the same taxation laws etc.
It's all well and good feeling sorry for the cyclist but what about the poor guy who has to live with the fact that he ran over him?
Cyclists should be treated the same as motorbike riders, they should be obliged to take a test before being allowed to ride and they should also have insurance and be subject to the same taxation laws etc.
It's all well and good feeling sorry for the cyclist but what about the poor guy who has to live with the fact that he ran over him?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Dr_Herbz said:
You fucking callous arsehole - i can't believe the fucking depths that some people sink to. Do you know the junction at Pentonville Road? Cyclists are legally allowed to cycle straight on down the bus lane, whereas all other traffic has to turn left. If he ran her over, it is pretty clear that he wasn't paying due regard to what was going on in front of him. As a cyclist going down that hill, you're completely at the mercy of people behind you not ploughing into you every time you go down that hill.
You fucking dickhead.
So now I'm supposed to feel sorry for someone I've never met just because they're dead?
OK, answer me a question... If the bike rider had run into the side of a car instead of a HGV and had gone through the side window and killed a baby in a child seat but had lived herself, would you be here talking the same bollox?
Someone post me a picture of this junction, I want to see who has right of way.
OK, answer me a question... If the bike rider had run into the side of a car instead of a HGV and had gone through the side window and killed a baby in a child seat but had lived herself, would you be here talking the same bollox?
Someone post me a picture of this junction, I want to see who has right of way.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
jusali said:Begs the question why we have HGV's in the centre of cities in the 1st place.
There should be out of town trailer parks with shuttle vans into the centre far more efficient, but then again the UK doesn't do efficiency
How is it more efficient to use many vehicles instead of few?
I ride a motorbike every day and every day I set out in the knowledge that everyone else is out to kill me. If I didn't ride with this attitude, I'd be dead by now.
I do apologise if I offended anyone but this shit happens every day to motorbike riders and all we hear is "fucking motorbike riders, they should slow down". I'd never wish her fate on anyone but how can I feel sorry for someone who has no regard for their own life. She only bought the bike 2 days earlier and expected to be fit to ride it in the centre of London. I've been riding a motorbike for 20 years and I'd still be extra vigilant going into London.
It's like walking through a minefield and wondering why you got blown up.
I do apologise if I offended anyone but this shit happens every day to motorbike riders and all we hear is "fucking motorbike riders, they should slow down". I'd never wish her fate on anyone but how can I feel sorry for someone who has no regard for their own life. She only bought the bike 2 days earlier and expected to be fit to ride it in the centre of London. I've been riding a motorbike for 20 years and I'd still be extra vigilant going into London.
It's like walking through a minefield and wondering why you got blown up.
Yeah, she only had the bike 2 days This doesn't necessarily mean it was her fault but it does throw a different light on the matter.
I believe all bike riders should be obliged to pass at least the equivelant of the CBT for motorbikes because regardless of the outcome of an accident, push bike riders are just as likely to cause an accident as anyone who hasn't had sufficient training in road safety and a bycicle is every bit as hard to ride as a scooter and obviously, every bit as lethal.
I believe all bike riders should be obliged to pass at least the equivelant of the CBT for motorbikes because regardless of the outcome of an accident, push bike riders are just as likely to cause an accident as anyone who hasn't had sufficient training in road safety and a bycicle is every bit as hard to ride as a scooter and obviously, every bit as lethal.
Snap. 40+ Biker, ride in COL and WE every day, see shitloads of suicidal manouvers from all road users. Last night I had a suicidal pizza moped rider try to kill himself, and me into the bargain by trying to overtake me as I went to turn right. Obviously the chump was blind too, as the flashing orange light attached to the arse of my bike should have given him some idea of what was coming next. Anyhow I just caught him out the corner of my eye as I pulled a lifesaver, nearly dropped my own bike sticking it to the ground. Pizza boy skids on the guff on the white line, clips my front wheel but stays upright and and misses the traffic light island by inches (on the wrong side)Dr_Herbz said:
At least I'd have had something to eat while waiting for his ambulance BTW where did you hear the 2 day thing about one of the cyclists. Was it 2 days since she started cycling, two days since she bought her first bike, two days since she bought the bike she was killed on or what ??
Also I disagree about her having "no regard for her own life", tbh where else can someone living in central london learn to cycle but on the roads ? The only way you really learn to handle traffic is to go out there and do it. You won't get lane and vehicle positioning awareness by cycling on a canal tow path or around viccy park
Actually as a biker you probably went through a similar process yourself. No one on one tuition when we learnt to ride, now think how your parents or mates would have felt if you were killed as you were learning and some 4 wheeled twat trotted out the "fucking bikers, all ride like cunts, just asking to be killed" line.
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
I did a cycling proficiency training course/test when I was about 10, not long after I got my first bike. I didn't ride on the road before I passed that test and I didn't ride on the road after I passed it either - it was far too scary for me at that age.
Every bike rider should take a similar course if they haven't already passed a car / motorbike test. It boosts your confidence, raises your awareness and generally teaches you to ride more safely on the road.
Every bike rider should take a similar course if they haven't already passed a car / motorbike test. It boosts your confidence, raises your awareness and generally teaches you to ride more safely on the road.
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
The article doesn't say. But I think certain people are trying to make out that she had only been cycling for two days, therefore she was inexperienced, and that that had something to do with her death...Radar said:
Which is of course bollocks because we don't know the facts...
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Just seen this thread. I ride down Pentonville Road every morning and it can be pretty scary. You are riding down a steep inclince with cars, vans and trucks screaming past you. About half way down you have to move right out to the outside lane so you can carry straight on down the bus route. All the other traffic has to go left. There are traffic lights there so the safest thing is to wait till they are on red, move out right and get to the front. Or get in the outside lane right at the top of the hill but have traffic screaming inches past you in both directions. Add a bit of rain and wind and it can be really dangerous.
I noticed a group of people on the Monday morning making a little shrine to the cyclist that died there. I stopped to have a look and saw photos of a young woman and notes from friends mentioning places in Stoke Newington where they had been out together. It was very sad. There but for the grace of God.
I noticed a group of people on the Monday morning making a little shrine to the cyclist that died there. I stopped to have a look and saw photos of a young woman and notes from friends mentioning places in Stoke Newington where they had been out together. It was very sad. There but for the grace of God.
Radar, my mate passed his bike test the same week I did and immediately bought a Honda 250N Super Dream... first day out, a guy in a beetle pulled out in front of him and turned him into a squid. Luckily, he lived but he was in hospital for 6 months so I decided I was going to do my utmost to make sure the same thing didn't happen to me.
Of course, there's always an unforseen element but as I'm sure you're well aware, if you want to stay alive on a bike (motorised or otherwise) you have to drive for everyone else on the road because they're mostly incapable of doing it for themself.
Herbsman, there is only 1 fact that we are sure of and that is that she ended up under the wheels of a HGV. Regardless of who was/is to blame, every road user has an obligation to themself (and others) to be aware of everything that's happening around them. Self preservation is really high on my list of priorities, which is probably why I've lasted so long without being killed by one of the sleeping fuckwits I have to ride to accomodate every day...
There but for the fact that I'm alert go I.
Of course, there's always an unforseen element but as I'm sure you're well aware, if you want to stay alive on a bike (motorised or otherwise) you have to drive for everyone else on the road because they're mostly incapable of doing it for themself.
Herbsman, there is only 1 fact that we are sure of and that is that she ended up under the wheels of a HGV. Regardless of who was/is to blame, every road user has an obligation to themself (and others) to be aware of everything that's happening around them. Self preservation is really high on my list of priorities, which is probably why I've lasted so long without being killed by one of the sleeping fuckwits I have to ride to accomodate every day...
There but for the fact that I'm alert go I.
I'd like to see a photo, but it sounds pretty much as I visualised it after looking the junction up in streetmap.goldenecitrone said:
Cyclists can't get into the safer (in relation to turning) outside lane whilst the traffic is moving because of the fuckwit mentality of motorists putting their foot down once a space opens up even if there's a set of lights 50m down the road. If you try to move to the outside lane at the lights you run the risk of getting smacked if the lights change before you've made it to the front. If you stay in the outside lane you have to either risk being driven over or stick to the centre line attracting the ire of bikers you're blocking and risking being hit by oncoming traffic if you drift/get blown/get slipstreamed.
TBH it sounds like that guy runningf the UCL digs on Penton Rise quoted in one of the news articles is on the ball, the road setup approaching that junction seems to have mortality designed in for cyclists
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Radar said:TBH it sounds like that guy runningf the UCL digs on Penton Rise quoted in one of the news articles is on the ball, the road setup approaching that junction seems to have mortality designed in for cyclists
Thanks for the article. She got stuck in the middle and had no place to go. I'm amazed the lorry driver hadn't seen her, but even if he did he might have assumed she was going to follow the road round. The first time I rode down there it nearly happened to me, but I managed to get in front of the car behind me just in time and force him to slow down. Short of putting a cycle path down the middle I don't really know how they could make it much safer.
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