Kingsnorth Police injuries revealed: 6 insect bites and a toothache.

[HackneyE9]

Those Kingsnorth police "injuries"

This is hilarious.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/15/kingsnorth-climate-change-environment-police

I think my favourite is "opened car door with foot and had lower back pain the next day."

Fair play to Norman Baker MP for winkling them out - makes you wonder how many other media reports you hear about police "injuries" after demos and riots are, in fact, bee stings, toothache and sunstroke.

 

[rapattaque]

This is hilarious.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/15/kingsnorth-climate-change-environment-police

I think my favourite is "opened car door with foot and had lower back pain the next day."

Fair play to Norman Baker MP for winkling them out - makes you wonder how many other media reports you hear about police "injuries" after demos and riots are, in fact, bee stings, toothache and sunstroke.

Hahahah! Brilliant. Deedums, poor ploddywoddy got a waspywasp sting.

 

[cybertect]

Heard this on the radio this morning. I was a bit 'WTF?'.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Funny as fuck.


This bit no so funny though:

"I hope the government and the police will now stop trying to portray peaceful protesters as somehow equivalent to terrorists or violent extremists. In light of this new evidence, one has to ask, were climate campers so heavily policed because they posed any genuine threat of violence, or because they posed a challenge to government policy?"

 

[butchersapron]

three officers had succumbed to heat exhaustion, three had toothache, six were bitten by insects, and others had diarrhoea, had cut their finger or had headaches.

We're going to lose the next war

 

[Squatticus]

We're going to lose the next war

Not if we fight the police!

 

[gnoriac]

The police are renowned for their undercounting on the numbers attending demos, but it takes some imagination for 12 injuries to somehow become 70.

 

[david dissadent]

Cringeworthy. How can they look the CRS in the eye now.

 

[Pingu]

well funny

am betting fuck all will happen as a result of it though

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/15/kingsnorth-climate-change-environment-police

Evil protesteres training the insects or more lying police?

I know where my money is.



This clip is from early in the week when Climate Campers were defending the site from violent police (I think there were 5 hospitalisations)

For me, it was a health and safety matter that the Met didnt get their violent hands on innocent people.

The police were marched off the site with no violence.

At the end of this clip a copper reports that "officers came under sustained attack...punched in the throat...kicked repeatedly on the floor"

He is a liar. Presumbably he will be promoted or moved on to work with firearms.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Police were accused of using aggressive tactics, confiscating everything from toilet rolls and board games to generators and hammers. But ministers justified what they called the "proportionate" £5.9m cost of the operation, pointing out that 70 officers had been injured in the course of their duties.

source above.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Lying scum. Politicians have always lied but I blame Iraq for the new wave of uber-barefaced lies. They got away with that pile of shit, they assume they can get away with anything. And they may well be right.

 

[Bakunin]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/15/kingsnorth-climate-change-environment-police

Evil protesteres training the insects or more lying police?

I know where my money is.



This clip is from early in the week when Climate Campers were defending the site from violent police (I think there were 5 hospitalisations)

For me, it was a health and safety matter that the Met didnt get their violent hands on innocent people.

The police were marched off the site with no violence.

At the end of this clip a copper reports that "officers came under sustained attack...punched in the throat...kicked repeatedly on the floor"

He is a liar. Presumbably he will be promoted or moved on to work with firearms.

It's a safe bet that there were more campers injured than police, the plod at the end of the clip was definitely lying about us hitting officers as that was never on the agenda for us. All we did was simply push them off the site.

So, the police and their political masters have, aside from radicalising a great many people who were at the camp and showing themselves for what they are to many observers, are now proven liars.

What a surprise.

 

[Crispy]

threads merged

 

[agricola]

At the risk of being seen to defend this, the BBC report does contain some qualification to this:

The Lib Dems said the eight other injuries included being "stung on finger by possible wasp", "officer injured sitting in car" and "officer succumbed to sun and heat".

Kent Police confirmed that 12 officers were required to retire from duty because of their injuries.

A spokesman said: "In total, approximately 68 officers were treated for injuries or illnesses by the Kent Police tactical medicine unit and the Red Cross.

"In addition, teams of officers from other forces brought their own first aid support who would have also dealt with injuries."

"Other than the 12 who had to retire from duty, the remaining officers with injuries or ailments did not need to do so."

There is a difference between being injured and being injured and getting sent home - apparently the Government did not make the distinction clear, and the Lib Dems have seen fit to use the difference for political ends.

 

[lostexpectation]

but none were hurt by protesters thats the point

 

[HackneyE9]

At the risk of being seen to defend this, the BBC report does contain some qualification to this:



There is a difference between being injured and being injured and getting sent home - apparently the Government did not make the distinction clear, and the Lib Dems have seen fit to use the difference for political ends.

There is, however, a difference between getting "injured" and "getting a pain in the lower back after opening car door with foot".

Every time I try to tell myself the pigs can't really be like that doughnut-scoffing chump in The Simpsons, something like this comes along.

The last time was when I spent two hours in Hackney nick a few years ago, trying to report a minor assault, and for the entire 120 minutes a steady procession of coppers came through reception with their McDonalds takeaways.

 

[Random]

At the risk of being seen to defend this

 

[Hocus Eye.]

"stung on finger by possible wasp"

Ha, that was a killer wasp trained by the protesters to go for the police - possibly.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

the Lib Dems have seen fit to use the difference for political ends.

"Political ends" of exposing the operation as OTT and the police as liars.

I wish they'd pursue political ends such as these more often.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7784301.stm

Police minister Vernon Coaker has apologised for telling Parliament that 70 officers were injured dealing with protests at Kingsnorth power station...He added: "I was informed that 70 police officers were hurt and naturally assumed that they had been hurt in direct contact as a result of the protest. That clearly wasn't the case and I apologise if that caused anybody to be misled."

 

[In Bloom]

It's a safe bet that there were more campers injured than police, the plod at the end of the clip was definitely lying about us hitting officers as that was never on the agenda for us. All we did was simply push them off the site.

So, the police and their political masters have, aside from radicalising a great many people who were at the camp and showing themselves for what they are to many observers, are now proven liars.

What a surprise.

I don't see why you didn't get a few digs in while you had the chance, tbh, you must have realised that that's what they were going to say after you ejected them anyway.

 

[Bakunin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7784301.stm

Police minister Vernon Coaker has apologised for telling Parliament that 70 officers were injured dealing with protests at Kingsnorth power station...He added: "I was informed that 70 police officers were hurt and naturally assumed that they had been hurt in direct contact as a result of the protest. That clearly wasn't the case and I apologise if that caused anybody to be misled."

So, he 'naturally assumed' that we deliberately assaulted and injured 70 officers during an avowedly peaceful camp, did he?

Either he completely misread the report he was given, or he's lying, again.

I wouldn't trust this fella one iota, personally, and his so-called apology (will he be apologising to us, the campers, for this slur? I doubt it) reeks of someone who has attempted to wilfully distort what happened for political purposes and has been caught red handed doing so.

 

[Bakunin]

I don't see why you didn't get a few digs in while you had the chance, tbh, you must have realised that that's what they were going to say after you ejected them anyway.

It was always intended to be a peaceful camp and I agree with that decision, personally. The police came looking for a ruck and instead of us giving them what they wanted they were definitely exposed for what they are on this occasion.

By not fighting with them when they clearly wanted to provoke a riot or at least a major brawl, we scored a PR victory and the plod scored a major own goal, at least to any reasonable observer.

 

[In Bloom]

It was always intended to be a peaceful camp and I agree with that decision, personally. The police came looking for a ruck and instead of us giving them what they wanted they were definitely exposed for what they are on this occasion.

By not fighting with them when they clearly wanted to provoke a riot or at least a major brawl, we scored a PR victory and the plod scored a major own goal, at least to any reasonable observer.

Ah come on, don't try to pretend that the decision to stick to purely pacifist tactics was anything other than ideologically driven. You know as well as I do that as far as the papers are concerned, physically pushing the police out of your camp is good enough grounds to report that you were violent, that you "clashed" with the police and went out of your way to injure them.

And without neutral observers around, all most people had to go on was what was reported in the media, so don't give me that "PR victory" bullshit. Look at the media coverage of the camp from the time (as opposed to a story months later in the environmental supplement of the Guardian), you lot didn't exactly come across as a group of fluffy peaceful environmentalists.

 

[Bakunin]

Ah come on, don't try to pretend that the decision to stick to purely pacifist tactics was anything other than ideologically driven. You know as well as I do that as far as the papers are concerned, physically pushing the police out of your camp is good enough grounds to report that you were violent, that you "clashed" with the police and went out of your way to injure them.

And without neutral observers around, all most people had to go on was what was reported in the media, so don't give me that "PR victory" bullshit. Look at the media coverage of the camp from the time (as opposed to a story months later in the environmental supplement of the Guardian), you lot didn't exactly come across as a group of fluffy peaceful environmentalists.

It was not ideologically driven at all. I should know, I was there at the camp, I attended the onsite security meeting and I've just come back from a national gathering to discuss the Climate Camp and the fallout from it.

And I'm well aware of the press and their ability to distort facts as I was formerly press officer for local CND and Ploughshares groups. I looked at the press coverage (I'm clearly visible on one piece of footage attempting to get the police out of the south gate along with other campers) and any reasonable observer who knows anything about the policing at Kingsnorth will be able to judge for themselves.

I don't have a problem with using force where necessary. For me, force is a tactical issue and not an ideological one. Plod came looking for a fight, they didn't get what they wanted so they lied repeatedly and now they've been caught blatantly doing so. That, along with the fact that locals (and MP's) were onsite throughout and were witnesses to the police violence, represents a PR victory to me.

If you have a problem with Climate Camp then just come out and say so and don't attack the campers with a hidden agenda.

 

[In Bloom]

It was not ideologically driven at all. I should know, I was there at the camp, I attended the onsite security meeting and I've just come back from a national gathering to discuss the Climate Camp and the fallout from it.

And I'm well aware of the press and their ability to distort facts as I was formerly press officer for local CND and Ploughshares groups.

If you don't stop waving your activist credentials around, you're going to take somebody's eye out.

I looked at the press coverage (I'm clearly visible on one piece of footage attempting to get the police out of the south gate along with other campers) and any reasonable observer who knows anything about the policing at Kingsnorth will be able to judge for themselves.

I remember the media coverage while the camp was ongoing, you lot did not come off well and a few stories in the papers months later are not going to change that.

If you have a problem with Climate Camp then just come out and say so and don't attack the campers with a hidden agenda.

Fine, you caught me. Anybody who criticises any aspect of any event or action organised by the Climate Campers is part of a secret conspiracy organised by the Man to bring your buzz down

 

[Bakunin]

If you don't stop waving your activist credentials around, you're going to take somebody's eye out.


I remember the media coverage while the camp was ongoing, you lot did not come off well and a few stories in the papers months later are not going to change that.


Fine, you caught me. Anybody who criticises any aspect of any event or action organised by the Climate Campers is part of a secret conspiracy organised by the Man to bring your buzz down

In a narky mood today are we?

I merely mentioned my press work and the fact that I was actually AT the camp because it looks as though you weren't. Hence, I might just have a slightly better view of what went on than you do.

And we didn't come off so badly in the press, it depends on which type of media you look at really.

And where does this 'any who criticises' bullshit come from? I've just come from a weekend of meetings where we did little else but review our performance and future plans, and there was plenty of room to criticise there and lots of people did. I'm not against continual reviewing of the Climate Camps, our tactics and strategy, but I was just wiondering why, if you had so little interest in the Camp so as not to bother actually coming, why you're in such a snippy and sniping mood.

 

[Random]

Ah come on, don't try to pretend that the decision to stick to purely pacifist tactics was anything other than ideologically driven.

What makes you think this?