Kings on the Rye?
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Errol's son
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Apparently Boadicea fought the Romans on Peckham Rye.
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Tank Girl said:I thought it was called kings on the rye because there used to be a pub there, with king in the name.
I'm having an interesting evening googling to find out if there's more to the name than that
Was that the club opposite Burnet, Ware and Greaves, the surveyors? It is a white building, unfortunately now it is flats
Errol's son
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It is a shame that got closed. There are no clubs in the area now, except for on Peckham High Street and that does not really sound very attractive to me.
Yeah we'd heard about the bodicca battle, but I can't really see where a king comes into that, Bodicca being female and all that, so the pub explanation seems the most palusible. Did you get any further Tank Girl? Is it just that there was pub their called kings on the rye and the name just stuck even when the pub had gone? I must confess I was hoping for something a little more romantic....
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Errol's son said:
Some local pedants with no sense of the romance of Peckham's glorious past want to suppress that story as well
Peckham Society Newsletter said:
ETA: I think the story comes from something that a character says in Muriel Sparks The Ballad of Peckham Rye
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aye, the pub/club was called "Kings on the Rye", but I dont know why...
I think it was just the name of the place though, rather than to do with a real King...
I think it was just the name of the place though, rather than to do with a real King...
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zoltan69 said:
Yup this place came up in conversation the other day....always wondered why those flats had portholes and the like....Apparantly it was rough as f, shootings, knives...drugs all over the shop...the bus stop outside is still known as kings though.
The rye hotel used to be dodgy as f also.....gentrification I tell theee
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This is an old thread - the question was asked last year! but the answer has just come up as someone has posted some old maps of london in the london forum - check out peckham:
http://www.mappalondon.com/london/south-east/peckham-rye.jpg
and you'll see that on that site were Kings on the Rye used to be, back in 1826 was a "Kings Arms" - probably a pub. So now we know!
http://www.mappalondon.com/london/south-east/peckham-rye.jpg
and you'll see that on that site were Kings on the Rye used to be, back in 1826 was a "Kings Arms" - probably a pub. So now we know!
hipipol
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The Kings on the Rye
An old pub. The Rye still has a fair few pubs around it, but there were more. Huge crowds would gather for fairs etc and on holidays back in the 18th, 19th and 20th Cs. They lido, since demolished was on the Rye just in fron of the Kings, having itself replced the pond, fed by the River Peck which had been used form swimming for at least 200 years - even Blake had a paddle in it, prior to the Angel in the Tree vision.
By the times the Kings was closed a Friday or saturday night would see BMWs and Mercs parked all over the Rye itself as the Crack Distribution Aristrocracy would party there. There were a number of shootings, both inside and out. It was FUCKING SCARY. The final nail in its coffin was a drive by machine gun attack in 96/97 I think.
The flats that repalced it however, are utter shite and falling to bits it looks like
That was old Peckham, with the stab- central club down at the old Co-Op building where the Rye meets Rye Lane - possibly called Cyclotron - hearing jungle coming out of there one night, I attempted to enter, the doorman stopped me saying "you wont like it in their mate" - told him I loved jungle, he says" I'll rephrase that, they REALLY wouldn't like you in there". That again was closed down due to the number of deaths though via knife and chems, no guns
Tho initially just a pub name, like the Rye Hotel, the White Horse - most recently seen on Holby City - they KIngs did finally attract those at the top of a rather violent business who probably did feel themselves Kings of all they surveyed, well at least till they were blown away!!!!
An old pub. The Rye still has a fair few pubs around it, but there were more. Huge crowds would gather for fairs etc and on holidays back in the 18th, 19th and 20th Cs. They lido, since demolished was on the Rye just in fron of the Kings, having itself replced the pond, fed by the River Peck which had been used form swimming for at least 200 years - even Blake had a paddle in it, prior to the Angel in the Tree vision.
By the times the Kings was closed a Friday or saturday night would see BMWs and Mercs parked all over the Rye itself as the Crack Distribution Aristrocracy would party there. There were a number of shootings, both inside and out. It was FUCKING SCARY. The final nail in its coffin was a drive by machine gun attack in 96/97 I think.
The flats that repalced it however, are utter shite and falling to bits it looks like
That was old Peckham, with the stab- central club down at the old Co-Op building where the Rye meets Rye Lane - possibly called Cyclotron - hearing jungle coming out of there one night, I attempted to enter, the doorman stopped me saying "you wont like it in their mate" - told him I loved jungle, he says" I'll rephrase that, they REALLY wouldn't like you in there". That again was closed down due to the number of deaths though via knife and chems, no guns
Tho initially just a pub name, like the Rye Hotel, the White Horse - most recently seen on Holby City - they KIngs did finally attract those at the top of a rather violent business who probably did feel themselves Kings of all they surveyed, well at least till they were blown away!!!!
From the CIA World Peckham Factbook
http://www.splange.freeserve.co.uk/peckham.html
'Peckham Borough Council has at last approved renovation work on the never-popular Kings on the Rye nightclub. To this end the place has been bulldozed to the ground and replaced by a block of luxury flats. 'Luxury', in this context, would appear to mean 'squalid', but we'll pass lightly over that. However, local ghost-hunter Keith 'Charnel Stench' O'Donald has reported that spectres of the past still haunt the oblivious luxury flat-dwellers. A tragic big-permed figure known only as 'The Woman in White Stillettos' is said to pace up and down one of the rooms, while several passing travellers have testified to being approached by a mysterious shadowy phantom who spoke to them in a voice of doom and foreboding, asking if they were 'sorted for E's and whizz'. O'Donald also quotes the legend attached to the name: that three once-mighty Kings of England lie buried beneath the soil of Peckham Rye and one day, when the land is in dire need, they will arise, put on their ceremonial black puffer jackets of state, and go forth in seriously tuned BMWs with UV lights underneath, uniting the troubled nation with their own idiosyncratic brand of drum'n'bass. But, added O'Donald, that might just be bollocks.'
http://www.splange.freeserve.co.uk/peckham.html
'Peckham Borough Council has at last approved renovation work on the never-popular Kings on the Rye nightclub. To this end the place has been bulldozed to the ground and replaced by a block of luxury flats. 'Luxury', in this context, would appear to mean 'squalid', but we'll pass lightly over that. However, local ghost-hunter Keith 'Charnel Stench' O'Donald has reported that spectres of the past still haunt the oblivious luxury flat-dwellers. A tragic big-permed figure known only as 'The Woman in White Stillettos' is said to pace up and down one of the rooms, while several passing travellers have testified to being approached by a mysterious shadowy phantom who spoke to them in a voice of doom and foreboding, asking if they were 'sorted for E's and whizz'. O'Donald also quotes the legend attached to the name: that three once-mighty Kings of England lie buried beneath the soil of Peckham Rye and one day, when the land is in dire need, they will arise, put on their ceremonial black puffer jackets of state, and go forth in seriously tuned BMWs with UV lights underneath, uniting the troubled nation with their own idiosyncratic brand of drum'n'bass. But, added O'Donald, that might just be bollocks.'
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IT was Lazerdrome - one of those old lazer zzap gun places - converted into a club - quite impressive inside with mad walkways and jungle netting.hipipol said:
Cant remember the name of the night that was on there - Innersense I think...
yeah thats it! had a dig and found this dedicated page to the venue:
http://www.hardscore.com/articles/lazerdrome/
Here's a mix of Bukem playing down there!:
http://www.dnbforum.com/showthread.php?t=24288
Errol's son
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Lazerdrome was quite friendly I thought although I was off my head. I never had a problem there...
There are far worse places...
There are far worse places...
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I have ancestors who lived in Camberwell Grove and one of them kept a diary which my cousin has. This mentions smugglers on Peckham Rye I think. I must borrow this and have a read...
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It has been a bus terminus since the days of horse-drawn omnibuses
The old pub was destroyed in the blitz
The old pub was destroyed in the blitz
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moon said:
Many a true word spoken in jest...
Southwark College WRAP TV media project said:
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great picture - love it- thanks lang rabbielang rabbie said:It has been a bus terminus since the days of horse-drawn omnibuses
The old pub was destroyed in the blitz
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