Demosthenes said:
the whole point of education as far as i am concerned is to come up with your own theories at the end - otherwise its a waste of time IMO.
kinda farfetched question
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the whole point of education as far as i am concerned is to come up with your own theories at the end - otherwise its a waste of time IMO.
well I kind of agree, but on the other hand, it's actually extremely difficult, in philosophy or literary criticism for instance to say something that someone hasn't said before. - It's just quite late in the day for that, and loads of people have been at it for years trying to do an original piece of research for their phd.
The thing that irritates me most about academia though is how parasitic it is on the canon of "great works" People endlessly re-interpreting Kant, and coming up with convoluted arguments that what he really meant was blah blah blah.
For a start it ought to be possible to write unambigous work so that people don't have to argue for generations about what you really meant. But then academics probably wouldn't rate you cause you wouldn't have given them any work to do.
And in any case, what does it matter what X really meant - why not just say, how's this for an idea, and not bother to pin it on anyone's coat-tails.
The thing that irritates me most about academia though is how parasitic it is on the canon of "great works" People endlessly re-interpreting Kant, and coming up with convoluted arguments that what he really meant was blah blah blah.
For a start it ought to be possible to write unambigous work so that people don't have to argue for generations about what you really meant. But then academics probably wouldn't rate you cause you wouldn't have given them any work to do.
And in any case, what does it matter what X really meant - why not just say, how's this for an idea, and not bother to pin it on anyone's coat-tails.
yeh and keep questioning, not be seduced by the words....i think thats the thing that makes the top students stand out, in addition to not overreading.
bluestreak
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leave it nos, it ain't worth it.
cheesy, have you actually studied philosophy at all, ever, in any meaningful way? i'm intrigued by how you come up with this.
cheesy, have you actually studied philosophy at all, ever, in any meaningful way? i'm intrigued by how you come up with this.
There are probably scores of shit thinkers tenuously tethered into an academic career who cover up for their relative incapacities by obscuring everything they say behind a barage of technical terms but what I take exception to was the idea that this is true of the great thinkers.
bluestreak said:
no. i am a sociology and business graduate, and as i have already said my theory is targeted towards the sociology of education - it would fit fine i am quite sure.
equationgirl
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And have you bothered to look through any of the publication databases to see what the current thinking is? How do you know it will fit if you haven't bothered to see what else is out there, or, indeed, if someone else has thought of it, investigated it or even discarded it.
It's not just a matter of picking a theory and saying 'here's my theory lol'.
It's not just a matter of picking a theory and saying 'here's my theory lol'.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Cheesypoof said:
i guess your definition of great thinkers is probably different. now i doubt that anyone has had a completely 100% career but picking on jung's animal emotions thing (which is pretty much unprovable either way) certainly doesn't negate the valuable work he did for modern psychology. perhaps it's just sociologists who talk fancy shite. mind you, some of the crap that business types come up with is well flawed, so maybe you just didn't choose for the win young padawan.
equationgirl said:
of course hun. but ya reckon i wouldnt check? dont underestimate me girl. i have been offered a doctorate in the subject of sociology and i havent pursued it yet, so this is very much at the nascent/ inception stage. I wouldnt approach anything without painstaking research and am merely throwing out ideas at the moment innit.
equationgirl
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Some points:
1. Given that you often don't read threads (and have actually made offensive posts because of this), my question regarding database searching was perfectly reasonable.
2. You haven't been offered a doctorate. You've been offered a place to study for a doctorate. Unless you're buying it off a website, in which case it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
3. You'll need to work on your writing style before you write your phd thesis.
1. Given that you often don't read threads (and have actually made offensive posts because of this), my question regarding database searching was perfectly reasonable.
2. You haven't been offered a doctorate. You've been offered a place to study for a doctorate. Unless you're buying it off a website, in which case it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
3. You'll need to work on your writing style before you write your phd thesis.
equationgirl said:
i dont read threads no- i dont come here for that purpose....and i dont write like this for academic stuff. my urban posts are impromptu, at all times ms equation - make no mistake.
equationgirl
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Make no mistake about what?
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about - again.
Do you have any idea what doing a phd involves? How hard it is, how long it takes, that it's not just pulling a theory out the air and asking people to say how wonderful it is?
Maybe you're the one that's made a mistake.
And it's Dr Equationgirl, not ms actually.
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about - again.
Do you have any idea what doing a phd involves? How hard it is, how long it takes, that it's not just pulling a theory out the air and asking people to say how wonderful it is?
Maybe you're the one that's made a mistake.
And it's Dr Equationgirl, not ms actually.
equationgirl
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What's she doing her doctorate in?
It was hard work to earn it, I'm using it whenever I get the chance.
It was hard work to earn it, I'm using it whenever I get the chance.
Athos
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equationgirl said:
i said the words 'inception; and 'nascent' and they are all i need to say here....you are a maths person anyway arent you? so i wonder whether your approach to elastic ideas on a subject area you mightnt know anything about might be stumbling and stunting you a bit somewhat, because thats what i think of this sort of reply.....
if, you have any ideas on my original idea which respond to anything as immediately obvious as exploring the subject matter, even though i suspect it isnt your area of expertise (it is mine) be my guest.....
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Athos said:
I thought postmodernism was passe in British academia nowadays (and I haven't searched the databases to find out?). But yes, this was funny.
jeeps i stumbled coincedentially upon something done before - oh well, back to the drawing board.....
my theory on the foundations of dub might hold strength - yes, that might be better.
my theory on the foundations of dub might hold strength - yes, that might be better.
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Cheesypoof said:
Sounds cool cheesy, but can you imagine how it would work if you had 1,000,000 different theories about sociology, for instance? No one would be able to carry on a discussion about the subject.
equationgirl
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Cheesypoof said:jeeps i stumbled coincedentially upon something done before - oh well, back to the drawing board.....
What a surprise. It's been done before.
Whereas if you'd done even a little bit of research to see if you were onto something, you'd know that.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
and what's more, sokal didn't even destroy much more than the worst panic-stricken "am i getting left behind" theories of postmodernism, it merely served as a wake up call. intellectual impostures might be worth a read though cheesy, if you're serious about smashing the edifice of false-genius and sacred cows in the academic sector.
Meltingpot said:
well i have kept them focussed. i kept out of the arena for ten years but as a student i revealed about six, and my professors went through them with me, one by one, after i went to see them on graduation day, so its a question of which one. am not sure i can be so bothered though, i try to infuse them into my journalism instead through analogies and that. I can give you a few examples if you like, because i never get edited for it, because they respect my imagination. I love brainboxes like equationgirl picking me up though.
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Yeah I'd definitely be interested to read them but I've got to get to bed soon.
Meltingpot said:
i'll send about 15 of em to you via PM no probs m'lord
equationgirl said:
yes i know this hun, in the first place i was just expressing the raw thought that what was on my mind, i have a lot of ideas every few minutes, mostly useless, but the odd one works, and thats i suppose what i am looking for...
equationgirl
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Perhaps you need a more effective ideas filter, rather than just saying what you're thinking all the time?
Just a suggestion, like.
And stop calling me 'hun'. I'm not you're 'hun' or anything else.
Just a suggestion, like.
And stop calling me 'hun'. I'm not you're 'hun' or anything else.
equationgirl said:
Don't let me start on it.
I describe it as "The Dark Secrets of and behind the Marvels of Persian Tapestry Art, fill in the rest because I haven't framed it down yet because I'm still so undecided to do the cutting because all of it has my separate and intense interest and attention, so maybe I better write a bookwork, a volume or ten will do. Maybe."
The impact on simple daily life is of catastrophical proportions. I feel as if I can't walk over a rug withouth its design staring at me flustering: "remember, you don't tread on me for no reason". I am also very careful to call a carpet not just a "carpet" (it has a complex and social life) and wool or silk not simply "materials" (they too have a life and complex relationships).
On the other hand, it has its fascination for me as historian too... Maybe I steal it
I'm of course also fearfull for the moment she discovers my very own Flying Carpet and shreds its secrets into dry academic discours.
salaam.
