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Kids harder to teach than 30 years ago? Is this why?

I find you extremely tiresome zed.

I have indulged your questioning, written a very long post on Jenner and early smallpox vaccination. You totally ignored it save to twist something I said and then claim I was 'wriggling' when I corrected you.

You now repeatedly attempt to twist my statement 'sanitation never fails to beat smallpox' into the claim 'all smallpox disappeared due to sanitation improvements'. Which I certainly didn't say.

You are incessantly demanding, to an extent that even exceeds editor.
 
And again,

Do you still maintain that the eradication of Smallpox from planet Earth was caused solely by an increase in standards of sanitation?
 
Jazzz said:
I find you extremely tiresome zed.

You are incessantly demanding, to an extent that even exceeds editor.
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I take both of these as a compliment.

Thanks.

I've got seven hours until I go home and I can think of no more enjoyable way of spending my time than exposing your rank idiocy.Oh and while you're there:

Do you still maintain that the eradication of Smallpox from planet Earth was caused solely by an increase in standards of sanitation?
 
zed66 said:
I don't dispute this, it was in the original link. I dispute the authoriity of a man who by his own admission has not been involved with Smallpox since 1962.

Now stop looking for diversions and answer the questions on post 89
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But you don't dispute that the CDC considered him an authority. Yawn.
 
Jazzz said:
But you don't dispute that the CDC considered him an authority. Yawn.
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Feel free to answer this question at any time. Don't let me stop you now.

Do you still maintain that the eradication of Smallpox from planet Earth was caused solely by an increase in standards of sanitation?
 
Quoted for posterity. :D :D

Jazzz said:
I find you extremely tiresome zed.

I have indulged your questioning, written a very long post on Jenner and early smallpox vaccination. You totally ignored it save to twist something I said and then claim I was 'wriggling' when I corrected you.

You now repeatedly attempt to twist my statement 'sanitation never fails to beat smallpox' into the claim 'all smallpox disappeared due to sanitation improvements'. Which I certainly didn't say.

You are incessantly demanding, to an extent that even exceeds editor.
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Quick summary of the some of the more glaring inconsistencies so far....
Post 46
Originally quoted by Jazzz
Where on earth have you got your information from?
American children have been exposed to plenty of thimerosal. You can read about it on the FDA's own website!
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Originally quoted by Jorum
The USA CDC website also has info about Thimerosal
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conc...sal/default.htm
Of particular relevance is
Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative.
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Post 52
Originally quoted by Jazzz
FYI, Rubella isn't a killer.
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Post 54
Originally quoted by Jazzz
Yes rubella carries risks if contracted by a mother in her first trimester of pregnancy. Thank you.
Jorum had described it as 'causing deaths'. I was simply correcting him and endeavouring to keep facts accurate.
I don't consider that 'idiotic'.
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Originaly quoted by zed66
http://www.who.int/immunization/top...a/en/index.html
Even though it is a mild childhood illness CRS causes many birth defects. Deafness is the most common, but CRS can also cause defects in the eyes, heart, and brain. It is estimated that there are 700 000 deaths due to CRS each year.
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Post 59:Originally quoted by Jazzz
Yes, I would maintain the real cause of the ravages of disease are malnourishment and poor sanitation. Not lack of vaccination, as the Swedes show

Post 65:Originally quoted by Jazzz
As good sanitation arrived, and levels of vaccination dropped considerably, smallpox eventually ceased.

Post 91:Originally quoted by Jazzz
You now repeatedly attempt to twist my statement 'sanitation never fails to beat smallpox' into the claim 'all smallpox disappeared due to sanitation
improvements'. Which I certainly didn't say.
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Etc etc.... :D :D
 
Jazzz said:
"Even in the absence of a smallpox transmission program, Dr. Mack suspected that the disease would die out anyway".


There it is on Page 8. I can't see how you missed it. :rolleyes:
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This is total bollocks as well. On the original link

http://www.vaclib.org/news/drmacks.htm

The following transcript is very important to save in your documents since the CDC website has removed the transcripts of June 19-20, 2002 meeting

It actually states that the transcript of the speech is not on the CDC site. I couldn't give a rat's arse if it is or not I just cite it as one more example of Jazzz disingenuity.

The mission statement on the front of that website

Mission Statement:
To reveal the myth that vaccines are necessary, safe and effective
To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
To preserve our right to abstain
To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide

In other words a site for fucking loopers like Jazzz.
 
zed66 said:
Do you still maintain that the eradication of Smallpox from planet Earth was caused solely by an increase in standards of sanitation?
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How many times must I point out that I never said that? Please stop twisting my words. What I said, you tiresome poster, is that sanitation has never failed to beat smallpox. Here's the quote I referred to earlier

"In India, according to an official return presented to the British House of Commons by Viscount Morley, there have been, during 30 years, 1877 to 1906, 3,344,325 deaths from smallpox of persons presumably vaccinated, for vaccination is universally enforced in India....In each and every community where vaccination ceases and strict sanitation is substituted, smallpox disappears. There are no exceptions to this." source

When the vaccine was being tested (the vaccine had never even undergone a proper clinical trial, it seems) during the smallpox terrorism scare, they had to shelve the whole idea because it was proving so dangerous

As physical specimens, the Baylor University students were fit and healthy, the "crème de la crème," in the words of researcher Kathy Edwards. Yet when she inoculated them with smallpox vaccine, arms swelled, temperatures spiked and panic spread.

It was the same at clinics in Iowa, Tennessee and California. Of 200 young adults who received the vaccine as part of a recent government study, one-third missed at least one day of work or school, 75 had high fevers, and several were put on antibiotics because physicians worried that their blisters signaled a bacterial infection.

Even for experts such as Edwards, the Vanderbilt University physician overseeing the study, the side effects were startling. "I can read all day about it, but seeing it is quite impressive," she said. "The reactions we saw were really quite remarkable." source - Washington Post
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That was for people with fit and healthy immune systems. For the developing world the vaccine will have been horrendous. Given the choice between vaccination and sanitation I know which of the two I would prefer.
 
The revelations on gulf war syndrome makes me suspicious.

Mercury may well be in seafood however its bound mercury, think of it as biomercury. The mercury thats found in some vaccines is not bound.

I`ve not done enough research into the effectiveness of vaccines to comment on that. Ive learnt not to trust WHO though, these are the same people who`ve engaged in mass sterilisation afterall.
If its lunacy to distrust faceless global organisations then i`m a self confessed loon!
 
Jazzz said:
Yawn.

Here's the link I posted for you before

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes.htm

You can find the reference in the minutes on page 8 June 2002.
As I already stated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (you get four rolleyes)
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Here we go.
From your original link...
Dr. Mack's presentation to the CDC June 19-20, 2002
This a link to the .rtf text file for the minutes of the meeting on 19-20 June. Have a look for yourself, the speech is not there on page 8.
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-jun02.rtf
Heres the .pdf link
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-jun02.pdf

Not surprising really, when the even the site you linked to doesn't claim the speech is on the cdc website.

The following transcript is very important to save in your documents since the CDC website has removed the transcripts of June 19-20, 2002 meeting.
I'm not saying the speech never happened, minutes get lost, it happenns easily. I will say that I cannot find that speech on the cdc website where you say it should be.
 
Jazzz said:
It is page 8 of the original document not the format that carries it.
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Which page of that .rtf file or that .pdf file is the speech on then? I've gone throught the entire document and can't see it.

There may well be an entirely innocent explanation for it's omission, I'm sure there is.That's the beauty of erring towards belief in the cock up theory of the universe rather than being conspiranoid. :D
 
Azrael23 said:
The revelations on gulf war syndrome makes me suspicious.

Mercury may well be in seafood however its bound mercury, think of it as biomercury. The mercury thats found in some vaccines is not bound.
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It's funny you say that Azrael, because I posted about vaccines and gulf war syndrome way way back and was roundly ridiculed for it. It was 'nonsense on conspiracy sites' then. It's a mainstream view now.

Mercury in thimerosal (vaccines) is organic, ethylmercury. If that's different to methylmercury (fish) - well the FDA made the assumptions for ethylmercury based on methylmercury data.
 
zed66 said:
Which page of that .rtf file or that .pdf file is the speech on then? I've gone throught the entire document and can't see it.

There may well be an entirely innocent explanation for it's omission, I'm sure there is.That's the beauty of erring towards belief in the cock up theory of the universe rather than being conspiranoid. :D
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These are the minutes, not the actual speeches (which may indeed have been deleted from the CDC website). I am looking at the pdf version. Studies/Overview Dr.T.Mack commences on page 7
 
zed66 said:
I suffer from a form of Tourettes, when I see someone post something that is unmitigated bollocks I feel duty bound to tell them.
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Do you think we could genetically engineer an infectious vector for this? :D
 
Jazzz said:
"In each and every community where vaccination ceases and strict sanitation is substituted, smallpox disappears. There are no exceptions to this." source
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Smallpox is a contagious disease with a long asymptomatic (non contagious) incubation period. Sanitation alone will not prevent an outbreak.The most successful way of stopping an outbreak once it has begun is by ring vaccination.Quoting 19th century medical disasters is not relevant to the exmaple I am quoting the 1967-1978 eradication programme.

I agree that the Smallpox vaccine sounds horrendous. So does Smallpox. There is a more detailed explanation of the effects on the cdc website. Basically the only people who are recommended to take the vaccine are health/emergency services workers who are at direct risk.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/needtoknow.asp
 
*yawns*

Remember when this thread was about 10 reasons children were harder to teach? We don't seem to have touched on any of them. Wonder why?

*checks post #6, slaps forehead*
 
As someone who once taught in FE colleges, I can agree with all of what Cloo said in the opening post. Furthermore, in the case of FE colleges, the disciplinary procedures may exist but enforcing them is another matter, since colleges now see individual students as "funding units". FE colleges also receive less funding than schools or sixth form colleges that are attached to schools and, as a consquence, allow discipline to slip.
 
Joining thread late, apologies if already been said, but I heard someone saying that comprehensive education is a huge success compared to what it was in the 70's.

Supposedly nearly 50% of pupils left comps with no "O levels" as they where, compared with just 5% now.

Is this just statistical jiggerypokery, or are we all on average a little bit smarter?
 
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