butchersapron
Bring back hanging
BlitzBuggy said:
They're legally entitled to challenge their pay and conditions. Aren't they?
Key victory for migrant workers
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They're legally entitled to challenge their pay and conditions. Aren't they?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
treelover said:
You don't care much for citations, do you? If anyone else had come along and pasted a bit of text into their post, without mentioning its source, you'd be all over them like a cheap suit.
So what is the real point to this post? Here, you accept that unionising migrant workers is a "good thing" but then proceed to tell us all how this country is being "swamped" (or words to that effect). You then reinforce this with notions of illegality in order to bolster the point.
You know, you have never really presented a decent argument that supports your position and you have relied, almost entirely, on scare-stories and emotive language to drive home your 'point'. Then you have the cheek to turn around and claim that I am calling you a "racist". FFS.
belboid said:
belboid. Your not actually telling the truth there are you.
You know fully well that i have talked about what i see as solutions to mass migration. Including of course tighter immigration controls and reparations to developing nations.
It is not reactionary to be against mass immigration. Unless of course you think the majority of the UK public are reactionary. ( perhaps you do eh?)
Recruiting a few Polish workers into unions is all very well...BUT how much impact does that have?
I think your politics seems to be a mixture of middle class liberalism and little englander bullshit.
The international consequences of rich countries continuing to take skilled workers from poorer nations are dire.
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Still at it then, chaps? That's the spirit! With this level of effort, victory is all but assured!
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
but what do you actually do to achieve your unpleasant aims baldy? bore most people to death on a internet message board??!! way hey! at least that minimises the chances of your superpowered patrol guard coming in to being. and who do you think benefits from your perpetual drone of 'its all about immigration, we have to stop the immigrants'? I'll give you a clue, its not your lovely Labour Party.
Your dismissal of unionisation and union campaigns shows that you are, for all your bluster, nothing other than a reactionary old fart who likes nothing more than a good moan.
Your dismissal of unionisation and union campaigns shows that you are, for all your bluster, nothing other than a reactionary old fart who likes nothing more than a good moan.
butchersapron said:
Of course.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So why should they leave then?
mk12 said:
Loads of people have direct and indirerect experience.Most of us either work directly with people who have recently migrated to the UK or know people who do. Anybody who has any contact with Schools in loads of areas will have an idea about the problems created recently. And MPs get to hear the concerns of their constituents and to some extent reflect their concerns and experiences.
Having so many people moving into the UK puts added pressure on all kinds of services. From Schools and Hospitals to Water etc etc.
The crazy Thames Gateway idea is one particularly bad symptom of this...A shanty town built on contaminated land and flood plains....
Have you checked Migration watchs webiste...I cant say i like them but they do have some interesting info at times..
belboid said:
My point is that if you call yourself an International Socialist you need to start looking at the International consequences of supporting free market policies on immigration.
But you seem to be looking at things only in a Nationalistic and Liberal way.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
dear me, you are rather desperate now aren't you tory? Unionisation is liberal and nationalistic! whatever next?
Come on, how are you bringing about your plan for bigger stronger immigration controls? And how many would be migrants are you happy to shoot each year?
4thwrite said:
while this is indeed excellent news ( but will surely mean that the bosses will look elsewhere for labour! ) , why do you suggest the issue becomes less divisive?
I work with a number of eastern europeans ( and in the same organisation that has outsourced work to one company who bus in portugese on minimum wage and another who deliberately employ pakistanis with poor english .. this time on £6 an hour).
THIS IS NO HOSTILITY TO THESE PEOPLE AS INDIVIDUALS and never has been .. but the majority of workers STILL understand clearly how these migrants are being used to undercut unions and wages
and p.s NO ONE on urban, as far as i am aware, has EVER racialised this issue ( apart from those who attack those who suggest the negative effects of current immigration ) OR talked about " at the expense ofthe white working class" as you suggest .. in the area i live it is 2nd/3rd generation black kids who are left TOTALLY on the scrap heap. History shows how successive generations of migrants will be sidelined as the bosses seek more compliant ( and thus cheaper) workers.
p.s. you other posts were good .. but while yes of course we need to organise migrant workers ( and i
have recruited 2 to the union!) a major offensive from the left/@ about this whole issue IS neccessary as it the moment it is the property of the right wing!edited for spelling
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durruti02 said:while this is indeed excellent news ( but will surely mean that the bosses will look elsewhere for labour! ) , why do you suggest the issue becomes less divisive?
I work with a number of eastern europeans ( and in the same organisation that has outsourced work to one company who bus in portugese on minimum wage and another who deliberately employ pakistanis with poor english .. this time on £6 an hour).
THIS IS NO HOSTILITY TO THESE PEOPLE AS INDIVIDUALS and never has been .. but the majority of workers STILL understand clearly who these migrnats are being used to undercut unions and wages
and p.s NO ONE on urban, as far as i am aware, has EVER racialised this issue ( apart from those who attack those who suggest the negative effects of current immigration ) OR talked about " at the expense ofthe white working class" as you suggest .. in the area i live it is 2nd/3rd generation black kids who are left TOTALLY on the scrap heap. History shows how successive generations of migrants will be sidelined as the bosses seek more compliant ( and thus cheaper) workers.
p.s. you other posts were good .. but while yes of course we need to organise migrant workers ( and i
Good post.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
well, i think it (unionisation) makes the issue less divisive because it means that migrant workers end up getting treated in similar ways to doemstic workers (or at least has the potential to achieve that). More general contact between exisiting workers and bussed in migrants - and particularly unionisation - is likely to reduce the things you mention in the second paragraph. Less divisive because it creates a common experience and a common enemy for both migrants and UK workers. Also, as a pracitical strategy, it actually gets both groups of workers actually talking to each other.durruti02 said:
To some degree there's always going to be a tension, because many migrants are not planning to stay permanently and are keen to get some cash. As such, they are not always in a position to invest the time and effort joining a union - and risking the job as they would see it. In that though they are not really in a different position to many temps and students. Also, unionisation is good because it challenges the very assumptions that drive the bosses flexibility model (but then everybody seems to be agreeing on that on this thread
)butchersapron said:
When I've changed jobs it's because I've wanted and gone for better pay and conditions, because sometimes thats easier than fighting for for better pay etc.
I never said they should leave, leaving was and is an option.
butchersapron
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What you said was "Surely all the migrant wokers had to do if they didn't like the pay and conditions was to work elsewhere?" But why would they if they can easily enough win a legal battle that gives them and others in the same situation substantially better conditions? Why should your choices be applied to other workers. No reason at all.
butchersapron said:
yup, whatever...
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