ken's cycle plans, is there an election soon?

[Sunray]

But if you read the year on year data, the number of cycling fatalities is decreasing in absolute numbers as well as relative to the number of road journey's.

It seems the more cyclists there are, the more aware of them are drivers.

Very true, but have you tried to ride down Oxford rd in central london.

Its insane and thats just Buses and taxi's and people in the way going slowly. Many of the roads are more like hyde park corner, park lane and piccadilly circus. These are fucking scary at times, park lane especially as its so fucking big and wide everyone does 50 down it.

Very much chicken and egg but people do have eyes in their head and the survival instinct may well kick in before they get on a bike.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

After his I'm not putting fairs up again promise at the time of his last election would anyone manage to find this a credible prelection promise?

 

[Sunray]

After his I'm not putting fairs up again promise at the time of his last election would anyone manage to find this a credible prelection promise?

Are any politicians election promises credible?

Only becomes interesting in when the bulldozers go in.

 

[beeboo]

There is not a single extra cycle lane or path that I can think of anywhere that I travel by bike around brixton, herne hill or clapham. The last useful new one I can think of is across clapham common and god knows how long thats been there... or the bit of green paint on the pavement around vauxhall.

Given there's a lot of controversy around whether cycle lanes actually do more harm than good, the lack of new cycle lanes isn't necessarily a bad thing. Many existing lanes are useless at best, dangerous at worst.

It struck me as telling that haulage and motoring associations were in favour the "cycle highways" idea because in their eyes it gets the pesky cyclists off the road out of their way. Personally I think it's generally better to make it safer for cyclists to share the road with others, rather than invest more in segregating them.

I don't know about the statistics or policy but based on observation, more and more junctions now include advance cycle lanes, which are generally useful for cyclists.

And the "green paint" round Vauxhall is for the most a very usable bit of provision for cyclists.

As for the fact this Paris-style bike scheme won't be here until 2010. Sorry, it's not simply a case of ordering some bikes and being done, there will be some significant work which needs to go into planning the scheme. Not just rushing in with a "me-too" scheme the second Paris started theirs.

 

[fjydj]

I think you're mistaken
http://www.londoncyclenetwork.org.uk/uploaded_files/library/documents/annual report 2006-07 RND.pdf

do you actually cycle? or just shill for tfl pr?

And the "green paint" round Vauxhall is for the most a very usable bit of provision for cyclists.

sorry, I agree it is very useful, in fact probably the only useful bit I know... but my point is it shouldn't be so costly to do or have taken so long to do more like it.

 

[citydreams]

do you actually cycle? or just shill for tfl pr?

yes, I actually cycle. Have you tried asking Lambeth council why there are no extra cycle lanes in Brixton, or do you just come on here to let off steam?

 

[fjydj]

yes, I actually cycle. Have you tried asking Lambeth council why there are no extra cycle lanes in Brixton, or do you just come on here to let off steam?

yeah pretty much

I was just looking at the pdf of you linked to:

http://www.londoncyclenetwork.org.uk/uploaded_files/library/documents/annual report 2006-07 RND.pdf

I'm steaming now! I was going to try an identify some of them to see what I've missed but I can't because they are all "designs" or "studies". eg:


SC.0801.504.003
Location: A503 Seven Sis- ters Road
Description: Design
Link: 69
Cost: £47,258

SC.0801.506.002
Location: A205 at Lew-isham Boundary
Description: Design
Link: 58
Cost: £50,098

Theres nearly £1.5 million "invested" on those 4 pages. To me its the costs of these studies that is insane. But I know other people working in the public sector so its not a surprise.

heres a surprise bargain one:
SC.0801.520.004
Location: A232 Croydon Town Centre Model
Description: Study
Link: 278
Cost: £9,990

not this though:

SC.0801.524.013
Location: A316 Chiswick Bridge
Description: CRISP
Link: 104
Cost: £39,525

whats a CRISP? not such a bargain that one... can't see why it cost so much too. I know that road, most of it has a wide pavement thats not used much separated by a grass verge from the road. I guess maybe a shared use path might work? Bill for that nearly £40 grand, thats madness where does this money really go. You could do that from your office with google maps (free) and then do a few recees of the area for a week with some other ones in the same neighbourhood, can't be more that a weeks work to do a dozen or so.

 

[citydreams]

whats a CRISP? .

A CRISP (Cycle Route Implementation and Stakeholder Plan) is an enhanced feasibility study that supports scheme planning programming design and implementation of improvements for cyclists along a Link
http://www.londoncyclenetwork.org.u...type/1/menu_id/25/submenu_id/88/main_page.asp
The above link gives an example of where the money goes..

My point was that lots of work has gone into designing junctions with cyclists in mind.

 

[citydreams]

ps. Next Lambeth Cyclists Meeting is Tuesday 19th Feb
http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=68

 

[beeboo]

I'm steaming now! I was going to try an identify some of them to see what I've missed but I can't because they are all "designs" or "studies".

What's wrong with designs and studies? Things need to be studied and designed you know. They don't just send someone out with green paint with orders to stick a few cycle lines in (although sometimes you do wonder )

 

[spanglechick]

when we were in Paris recently I thought the the cycle scheme looked fab - it would definately encourage me to cycle - because maintenance and theft are a massive part of what puts me off. Thing is, if it's only in west end and city, it won't get people out of their cars - because so few private individuals drive round there anyway. I would use it in favour of the tube/bus in zone one, though.

 

[London_Calling]

when we were in Paris recently I thought the the cycle scheme looked fab - it would definately encourage me to cycle - because maintenance and theft are a massive part of what puts me off.

So, if we think about cycling as a product for a moment, the scheme is accessing/creating a new market i.e. people who don't currently cycle. Broadening the consumer base, etc. Innovation, init.

Can't yet see a downside.

 

[Skorch]

I've got a bike and I cycle to work every day... but I've got it all kit'd out with SPD pedals etc... I don't want to get all Biked Up (as my coworker says) just to go for a nice ride on the weekend. Plus, my wife doesn't have a bike, and it would be nice to go cycling with her.

I'd love to see this happen - but full scale and not half-assed. I've seen a few private hire bikes locked up here or there, but you need these lockup points everywhere to make it convenient. Having it integrated with the Oyster system would be pretty badass.

 

[cybertect]

Fwiw, at the mo I suspect Ken’s scrambling to develop policy on this issue. There is, for example, nothing on the relevant TfL home page, which is a bit of a surprise. I also don't recall this being flagged up in the recent past.

It seems the that the London Boroughs didn't know anything about the idea until last Friday.

http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/doc.asp?doc=21832&cat=937

London Councils has criticised the Mayor of London and Transport for London for failing to consult the boroughs on the ‘Walking and Cycling’ strategy launched today (Monday).

Commenting on the launch, chairman of London Councils’ Transport and Environment Committee, Councillor Daniel Moylan, said:

“The capital’s boroughs are responsible for 95 per cent of London’s roads, so it is frankly appalling that they were not consulted on this new strategy. Once again we are deeply frustrated with Mr Livingstone’s disregard for the boroughs – just because he presides over a ‘personal fiefdom’ doesn’t mean that he should act like a despot.

“London’s boroughs are committed to encouraging people to use greener ways of getting around the capital such as walking and cycling, and have invested considerable sums of money promoting both in recent years. London Councils is also providing £1.2 million over the next four years to commission sustainable transport schemes.

“We will happily consider any proposals put forward, by the Mayor or anyone else. But it is tragic that, by his high-handed contempt for London's democratic councils, he is introducing so much political controversy into an area where it has always been possible to work collaboratively with cycling organisations in the past. While some ideas announced today may be sensible, others will prove difficult to implement in practice.

“I don't think much of this will happen. Why should the boroughs listen to Mr. Livingstone when he has long since stopped talking or listening to them? He seems to be believing his own rhetoric about London being his personal fiefdom. If he truly wants his strategy to succeed, he should suspend the proposals, take the time and decency to consult with the boroughs, and then work up a strategy in partnership that will actually work for the capital.”

The Mayor’s new cycling and walking strategy was unveiled today, Monday, 11 February.

London Councils, the body representing the capital’s 33 local authorities (who in turn manage 95 per cent of London’s roads and footpaths), were only informed of the Mayor’s new strategy on Friday, 8 February.

 

[Termite Man]

and drivers didn't feel like bicyclists were an annoyance, and treated as such.

If cyclists have cycle lanes in some places it reinforces the drivers idea that the road is "theirs" when there should be a push to educate an idea of mutual respect between all road users ( and pedestrians ) . However I can't see this happening because people are generally cunts only out for themselves

 

[lunchbox]

The Paris scheme is entirely financed by JCDecaux, which is counting on rental fees and the sale of billboard advertising to cover its running costs and recoup the €90m ($126m) investment required to set it up. (A one-day pass for Vélib' costs €1, a weekly pass costs €5 and an annual subscription costs €29 with no additional charge as long as each ride lasts less than 30 minutes. Users also agree to a €150 security deposit.) The city of Barcelona, by contrast, pays Clear Channel Outdoor to run its “Cyclocity” scheme and pockets the rental fees. It is another success, with a 3,000-strong bike fleet that will increase to 6,000 by March next year. It already has 90,000 registered users who pay a €24 annual subscription.

http://www.economist.com/business/d...e896a6710-0F591BC9-B27C-BB00-0127AF27FA1E0AD1

 

[soulman]

If cyclists have cycle lanes in some places it reinforces the drivers idea that the road is "theirs" when there should be a push to educate an idea of mutual respect between all road users ( and pedestrians ) . However I can't see this happening because people are generally cunts only out for themselves

Londoncentric?

 

[citydreams]

Carcentric?


Something to aim towards..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rwwxrWHBB8

 

[Gixxer1000]

My point was that lots of work has gone into designing junctions with cyclists in mind.

Yep stop the "cycle lane" when it gets a bit difficult and hey presto around the corner it starts again


Tell me who is responsible from TfL for ensuring contractors reinstate after openning up works to a reasonable standard for cyclists?

Oh and what provision is being made for secure cycle parking currently?

Oh and while Im about it WHY DONT YOU REQUIRE LORRIES TO HAVE MIRRORS THAT CAN ACTUALLY ALLOW THE DRIVER TO SEE CYCLISTS?

 

[citydreams]

Yep stop the "cycle lane" when it gets a bit difficult and hey presto around the corner it starts again

where? have you tried doing anything about it?

Tell me who is responsible from TfL for ensuring contractors reinstate after openning up works to a reasonable standard for cyclists?

As you said please The Street Management Team in Surface Transport are responsible for the red route. Local councils are responsible otherwise.

Oh and what provision is being made for secure cycle parking currently?

loads, hundreds of millions of pounds.. why not get involved with your local cycling group and find out?

 

[Gixxer1000]

where? have you tried doing anything about it?




As you said please The Street Management Team in Surface Transport are responsible for the red route. Local councils are responsible otherwise.



loads, hundreds of millions of pounds.. why not get involved with your local cycling group and find out?

Ok as you were,
keep ordering up the pots of green paint.

 

[citydreams]

Ok as you were,
keep ordering up the pots of green paint.

 

[Gixxer1000]

where? have you tried doing anything about it?

Well Albert Embankment onto Lambeth Bridge for starters - Why should I have to redesign it for you Thats your job
Was £10K + spent on the "Design" of this? I bet more was spent on the statues in the middle of the roundabout, any idea what they are BTW? The irony.

 

[citydreams]

Thats your job

no, thankfully it ain't.

 

[Gixxer1000]

no, thankfully it ain't.

No not you personally- TfL

 

[Gixxer1000]

loads, hundreds of millions of pounds..

C'mon, where are they?

 

[soulman]

 

[beeboo]

Well Albert Embankment onto Lambeth Bridge for starters - Why should I have to redesign it for you Thats your job

What's wrong with the Albert Embankment/Lambeth Bridge junction? That's on my route to work and I think it's fine? Do you want a cycle lane all the way through the junction?

 

[London_Calling]

Because of the equal rights initiative, I understand they're all going to look like this:

 

[Crispy]

Nice, a single-speed