Ken Livingstone Suspended For A Month

[Ing_soc]

Can't speak for TB, but in the past Lee Jasper physically ejected me from an antiracist conference I was attending as a Green Party delegate, because a Searchlight team member told him to. So, scum seems a mild word for this Met Police hireling.

isn't lee jasper the short, fat, bald bloke?

 

[Cobbles]

Well I'll have to take your word as a gentleman that you'd have defended Norris under similar circumstances. I have less confidence some other posters would have done the same

This isn't the substandard's fault. It's the fault of the "Adjudication Panel for England", whoever the fuck they might be. Which is to say, it's the Lord Chancellors fault for appointing them, or whoever wrote the laws which brought them into existence & gave them such powers.

The Laws that brought them into existence were produced by Parliament in 2000, as were the standard rules of conduct.

Hopefully Mr. Livingstone will be able to understand that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

isn't lee jasper the short, fat, bald bloke?

Yep, used to be lithe and whippet-thin until he took money from "the man" and spent it all on pies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Laws that brought them into existence were produced by Parliament in 2000, as were the standard rules of conduct.

Hopefully Mr. Livingstone will be able to understand that.

Mind you, isn't it odd how parliamentarians aren't anywhere near as strictly policed?

 

[exosculate]

Mind you, isn't it odd how parliamentarians aren't anywhere near as strictly policed?

Yeah funny that. Whats worse. Lying about WMD, going to war and being responsible for the killing of many thousands of innocent people. Or telling a jewish journalist from a crypto fascist rag he's an idiot and an Uncle Tom.

I can't decide, I think i may need some help here.

Anyone?

 

[detective-boy]

Yep, used to be lithe and whippet-thin until he took money from "the man" and spent it all on pies.

Not sure I remember him as "lithe and whippet-thin" ...

(Albeit lither and whippet-thinner than me though, to be fair ...)

 

[tbaldwin]

I hate the way he's wheeled out as some sort of 'spokesman' for the 'black community' when the media need a renta-quote. Jasper's a friggin' joke.

bleedin heck, for once i find myself in a majority on u75. Perhaps LJ could be a unifying force on the left???????
Everyone who knows him,hates him.

 

[tangentlama]

for those who might be wondering where Ken Livingstone plucked his 'collaborator' accusation from, and why he might liken a jewish reporter for a newspaper that supported the rise of Hitler's Third Reich, there is some historical background here:

To accomplish this goal, Eichmann needed Jewish collaborators like Kastner, since he was understaffed, with an SS team of 150 men and only a few thousand Hungarian soldiers at his disposal. Eichmann knew that the Jews would not go voluntarily to the so-called resettlement areas at the behest of the Nazis or the Hungarian authorities. The only people they would trust were their own leaders. Here, Kastner played a major role. He and his staff had to make sure that the Jews were not informed of the real destination of the trains. Misled by Kastner and others like him, the Jews showed up dutifully at the trains in the belief that they were merely being resettled. Some even made efforts to get on the earlier trains in order to have a better choice of housing in the new settlements. In exchange for Kastner's help, Gruenwald alleged, the Nazis gave the gift of life in June 1944, organizing a special rescue train for him and 1,600 Jewish notables, including Kastner's relatives and friends.

Charged with slander by Israel's attorney general, Gruenwald hired the services of a young, able and highly motivated lawyer, Shmuel Tamir. Tamir had his own political agenda, as did Gruenwald and the judge presiding over the trial, Benjamin Halevi. All three men were veterans of the right-wing Lehi underground during the British colonial period and were vehement opponents of Ben-Gurion's government, which Kastner represented. During the trial, one of Israel's most dramatic ever, Tamir succeeded in turning the tables on his client's accuser, arguing that the Jewish leadership in Palestine had sabotaged a series of attempts to rescue Jews during the Holocaust. In his verdict, which cleared the accused of slander, Judge Halevi rejected most of Gruenwald's charges against the Jewish leadership (during Eichmann's trail, the judge would maintain a discreet silence about this painful issue), but he accepted the main one: that Kastner had collaborated with the Nazis and "sold his soul to the devil."

<snip>

Zertal's preference for the unofficial version of Kastner's assassination is not incidental. This version reinforces the link she makes between the Kastner trial and the extraordinary trial that followed it, that of Adolf Eichmann, whose capture by Israeli agents in Argentina Ben-Gurion announced in the Knesset in May 1960. According to Zertal, there were several motives behind Ben-Gurion's decision to bring Eichmann to trial in Israel. The first and most immediate was to correct the impression left by the Gruenwald-Kastner trial, namely that the Jewish leadership in Palestine failed to undertake any serious rescue efforts on behalf of their European brethren during the Holocaust. Second, in spite of his initial discomfort with the subject and his insensitivity toward survivors, Ben-Gurion sought to turn the Holocaust into the central pillar of Israeli identity and to use it as the main basis upon which to legitimize the Zionist project. Third, the Eichmann case could be used as a tool to equate Israel's Arab enemies with the Nazis. Fourth, the trial helped cast Israel as the representative and savior of world Jewry.
from Israel's Culture of Martyrdom by Baruch Kimmerling, Professor of Sociology, Department of Sociology and Anthropology The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah funny that. Whats worse. Lying about WMD, going to war and being responsible for the killing of many thousands of innocent people. Or telling a jewish journalist from a crypto fascist rag he's an idiot and an Uncle Tom.

I can't decide, I think i may need some help here.

Anyone?

Oh, definitely the "uncle Tom-ing" of the Standard's hack. Stands to reason.

If you live in some strange parallel universe like the Standard and it's supporters do, anyway.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not sure I remember him as "lithe and whippet-thin" ...

(Albeit lither and whippet-thinner than me though, to be fair ...)

Well, at least a lot lither than he is now, anyway!

Now he looks like he spends most of his time drinking lard 'shakes and eating slabs of set beef dripping.

 

[ViolentPanda]

bleedin heck, for once i find myself in a majority on u75. Perhaps LJ could be a unifying force on the left???????
Everyone who knows him,hates him.

What's not to hate?

I just spent about 5 minutes trying to work out whether Jasper has any redeeming features, and the nicest thing I could come out with was "he's probably nice to his mum".

 

[tbaldwin]

What's not to hate?

I just spent about 5 minutes trying to work out whether Jasper has any redeeming features, and the nicest thing I could come out with was "he's probably nice to his mum".

Thank goodness for that, something i can disagree with.
CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING LJ'S MUM?????

 

[nino_savatte]

bleedin heck, for once i find myself in a majority on u75. Perhaps LJ could be a unifying force on the left???????
Everyone who knows him,hates him.

Well, there you go. It isn't difficult to loathe Jasper...in fact he makes it rather easy.

 

[scott_forester]

Well, there you go. It isn't difficult to loathe Jasper...in fact he makes it rather easy.

Trevor Philips face makes me laugh when Jasper is mentioned, it looks like he swallowed a lemon.

 

[nino_savatte]

Trevor Philips face makes me laugh when Jasper is mentioned, it looks like he swallowed a lemon.

Philips: there's another one. He's another ex-NUS president, isn't he?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thank goodness for that, something i can disagree with.
CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING LJ'S MUM?????

Poor woman.

Reminds me of a sketch I saw Lenny Henry do on one of his tours back in the late eighties where he was talking about how strict a disciplinarian his mum was, and that whenever he was tempted to do something bad he stopped himself by remembering how his mum cuffing him round the head for showing her up.

I reckon Jasper's mum get's the urge to cuff him round the head quite a lot. That's if she hasn't disowned him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Trevor Philips face makes me laugh when Jasper is mentioned, it looks like he swallowed a lemon.

Old rivals for the attentions of "right on" Londoners amongst other things.

 

[editor]

Latest: Ken Livingstone's four-week suspension from office has been frozen by a High Court judge pending an appeal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4758246.stm

 

[nino_savatte]

Excellent and whatever my opinion of Livingstone, an unelected panel of men cannot overturn the will ofthe electorate. If they want him out, they will have to vote him out.

 

[Cobbles]

Excellent and whatever my opinion of Livingstone, an unelected panel of men cannot overturn the will ofthe electorate. If they want him out, they will have to vote him out.

Does that mean that local politicians shouldn't have to adopt any standards of conduct at all?

Who should adjudicate in case of an alleged breach - their fellow politicians, some of whom will be beholden to the person complained against?

The Standards Panel is a creature of Statute (Local Government Act 2000) and the Adjudication Panel is the independent Tribunal set up to actually hear cases once they have been investigated. Every local politician signs up to that system when they swear in. If they don't think that they should be subject to its rules then they don't have to take office.

If The Court of Appeal decides not to follow Ken's wishes, will he declare that unconstitutional too? Maybe he'll just go the whole hog and declare UDI.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

It has probably been mentioned before, but there's no harm in mentioning again:

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1687_lib_dems_rap_tory.htm

Jack Sayers was also hauled in front of the standards commitee, but let off. What Mr Sayers said was far more dangerous than what Livingstone had said.

What Livingstone said was offensive and idiotic, though not directly anti Jewish (although as a person I would like him to explain his hug with al Quaradawi to believe that he is not). Mr Sayers was very close to being of a similar conspiracy of Mein Kampf, which also states that the Jews have an extremely domineering stronghold on the West.

The people who brought the charges against Mr Livingstone (that is the British Deputy board of Jews, not the Evening Standard, which is the most famous belief) have even proclaimed that what Mr Livingstone said was not anti semitic. So why has the dangerous one been let off, and the offensive one been disciplined?

 

[nino_savatte]

Does that mean that local politicians shouldn't have to adopt any standards of conduct at all?

Who should adjudicate in case of an alleged breach - their fellow politicians, some of whom will be beholden to the person complained against?

The Standards Panel is a creature of Statute (Local Government Act 2000) and the Adjudication Panel is the independent Tribunal set up to actually hear cases once they have been investigated. Every local politician signs up to that system when they swear in. If they don't think that they should be subject to its rules then they don't have to take office.

If The Court of Appeal decides not to follow Ken's wishes, will he declare that unconstitutional too? Maybe he'll just go the whole hog and declare UDI.

It opens the floodgates for any litigation addict with an axe to grind. As far as standards are concerned, I don't buy that argument. Livingstone wasn't accused of fraud or any of the other crimes associated with high office.

The punishment is meant to fit the crime. In this case it clearly doesn't.

The panel is still an unelected body of officials. That isn't democracy, that's something else.

 

[laptop]

(Albeit lither and whippet-thinner than me though, to be fair ...)

So that was you commentating on the Kent robbery over the weekend?

(You were overdubbed in Flemish, so I have little idea vat du gesprokken hat...)

 

[tbaldwin]

Excellent and whatever my opinion of Livingstone, an unelected panel of men cannot overturn the will ofthe electorate. If they want him out, they will have to vote him out.

I dont like KL or what he said but he is an elected politician and this shows just how undemocratic the law can be in this country..

 

[JoePolitix]

Old rivals for the attentions of "right on" Londoners amongst other things.

I think Trevor Philips has given up all pretence of being "right on". Instead he now prefers to pander to "inclusive" British bigotry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4752804.stm

Whatever one thinks of Lee Jasper, I think there is a lot of truth in his argument that Trevor Philips’ attack on multiculturalism is "giving succour to racists":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1589876,00.html

The proof? We have the deranged neo-con Robert Spencer who applauds "A welcome statement in the UK, echoing one that has already been made in Australia (i.e John Howard's racism). Other non-Muslim states should follow suit."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010410.php

The reactionary bigot Rod Liddle hails "... his bold and frankly brave comments about the danger posed by Muslim ghettos do not diverge wildly from what you might have read in a Monday Club pamphlet of 20 years ago".

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6655&issue=2005-09-24

The Hate Mail also congratulate Philips’ "bravery":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ent.html?in_page_id=1787&in_article_id=363270

These are just a few examples out of many.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Did anyone go to the pro Ken demo outside the Hackney Empire this evening?

 

[chio]

 

[laptop]

Where was that, and did you do it?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Did anyone go to the pro Ken demo outside the Hackney Empire this evening?

well, I'd imagine his Met Police mates for a start....

 

[chio]

Where was that, and did you do it?

It was at Russell Square; but it definitely wasn't me, I got it on email - I've not been to London for about a year now!