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Ken Livingstone says Trevor Philips should join the BNP

Yep!
Ah, this computer is giving me jip. keeps loging me out of the page and stuff.

Sorry guys.
Except, of course, for you right wingers.
You can all learn to use sticks to make fire, rather than whacking people over the head with.

Haw haw.

No, really....i mean it.
 
bushphobia said:
Hustler of culture....indeed!:eek:

Closer to the truth to my mind, he's angling for the top job at the Commission for Equality and Human Rights (which will be replacing the CRE in 18 months or so). He may also be eyeing up the opportunity of being a London Mayoral candidate (the next election is just under two years away)...


I think niether of these political dragonflies actually deserve the attention they get. Clearly, they are very good at playing power-mongering politicians. They pander to the group with the biggest wallet. End of story.
At least Livingston has the gaul to be emphatically himself, even if it due to an over-inflated ego running riot.
Trevor is just a spineless little weasle. Fact.:p

And anyone that works for the fucking EVENING STANDARD deserves to get called everything under the sun. Anyone wants to spend tim....sorry, watse time arguing against that point needs to shut up, get back to work, and enjoy their bovine life.

There are far more important issues at the mo in need of discussion.
Let's not draw out the right wingers here, and give them a podium to vomit their masters venom, o.k guys.

bushhobia
because you should.
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1) Trevor Phillips may indeed be "angling for the top job". However, he has raised the type of issues under discussion for a number of years, as perusal of his speeches will show.

2) It is puerile abuse to describe Phillips as a "spineless little weasel", and certainly not a fact.

3) When the Left was under attack in thje Labour Party, Livingstone did little to help--unlike, say, Eric Heffer. He has in the past praised the Blair regime, and supported NATO intervention in the Balkans. I again state it is not 2brave' to support the butchers of Tinamen Square.

4) The whole point about Livingstone attacking the Standard is his hypocrisy--he worked for the rag for years as a restaurant critic, indeed it is where he met his current partner.

5) There is indeed a criticism of Livingstone to be made from the Right--however mine comes from the Left, and I recommend those interested google for 'Livingstone, his politics and the secret state' by Harry Ainsworth, first published in Notes From the Borderland issue 3 (2000) and now archived on the Class War site I think.
 
As noted above there's a power-struggle going on within the Labour party for certain positions...

I'm not really sure what Trevor Phillips has really said - I seem to read headlines every now and again commenting on his speeches, but would like to read the whole transcript of his argument(s).
 
niksativa said:
I totally disagree with your post - Trevor Phillips goes further than warning of racial divisions in Britain, I find he revels in them, and he blames all the problems of racism on muticultural policies, wrongly IMO.

The carnival example is exactly right: carnival IS "the triumph of multiculturalism", and it's no suprise to me that Phillips brings the whole thing down with his: "its not represntative" comments. Piss off. Lets have carnivals up and down the country then - then it will be representative.

Ken Livingstone actually has an incridebly positive attitude in regards to race, and is remembered and respected by those of a certain age for giving many black politicians their first break at the GLC. - His comments to the journalist was IMO in no way racist, just unfortunate.

I also supported him on his trip to China - he was there for a particualar reason to build bridges, not to protest about Tianamen - its called diplomacy.

Returning to Trevor phillips, he has an important role to play, and sounding notes of caution is one of them, but Ken is right that Trevor is trying to "move the race agenda away from a celebration of multiculturalism" - Trevor has no faith in mujlitculturalism, and blames multicultural policies out right for the problem. I disagree - Its a big issue, its a long post so I'll stop there...
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I totally agree with this post. Phillips' dissing of the Notting Hill carnival just sum up what a tosser he is - why can't he go and piss on someone elses bonfire?

I did a bit of sputtering about Phillips' role in playing to the right on the issue of multiculturalism a while back:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=4254314#post4254314
 
JoePolitix said:
I totally agree with this post. Phillips' dissing of the Notting Hill carnival just sum up what a tosser he is - why can't he go and piss on someone elses bonfire?

I did a bit of sputtering about Phillips' role in playing to the right on the issue of multiculturalism a while back:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=4254314#post4254314
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the eloquence is only marched by the incisive wit....Phillips must be quaking in his boots now the nerds are on his case too!
 
Larry O'Hara said:
the eloquence is only marched by the incisive wit....Phillips must be quaking in his boots now the nerds are on his case too!
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And I'm sure he'd be delighted to find out that, in addition to the rightwing press, he has the likes of Larry O'Hara amongst his fan base.
 
JoePolitix said:
And I'm sure he'd be delighted to find out that, in addition to the rightwing press, he has the likes of Larry O'Hara amongst his fan base.
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I'm sure he will be--unlike you, I'm not a sad loser.:D
 
Phillips is right to call to "move the race agenda away from a celebration of multiculturalism".

This btw is a complete turn around for Phillips who in the eighties was arguing for separation, particularly for black youth in education and in the aftermath of events in Burnage, Manchester, agreing with black separatists, that white youth should not be allowed to attend the funeral of a black youth who had been murdered by a white racist.

The relativism of "multi-culturalism" is divisive and only leads to the strenghthening of right-wing notions surrounding race, i,e "afraid of being swamped by an alien culture", leading on to protect an imagined white British culture, the stress on difference etc.

How many "cultures" are there to celebrate anyway?
 
MC5 said:
How many "cultures" are there to celebrate anyway?
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Well there's "cross-cultural music (Drum n Bass, a bit of Hosue, Norman Jay)" and stuff like that which, as we all know, integrates societies like nothing else.

No surprise to read above though that Ken supported NATO bombing of the evil Serbs. That seems to be a common theme among the hypocritical lefties.

I believe Phillips has been looking to places like Holland and waiting for the same type of things to happen here. He started about multiculturalism around the time those evil Dutch said it had been a failure there.

Phillips may have some points, but it offends too many people so we gots to get rid of this Uncle Tom once and for all.
 
Mikey77 said:
I think Lee Jasper should fight it out with Phillips and whoever wins gets an extra 100k per year from Ken.
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How unfair! There should be qualifying rounds, my money would be on Suresh Grover who managed to land a few punches on the murderers of Stephen Lawrence as they left the Elephant & Castle inquiry.
 
IIRR Ken offered Philips the chance to be his deputy running mate in 2000 - Philips called that 'racism', then....went off to be Dobbo's running mate.

Trev was also all set against the congestion charge when it took balls to take on the motorists - wonder if he's still calling for it to be scrapped now? No, thought not.
 
HackneyE9 said:
IIRR Ken offered Philips the chance to be his deputy running mate in 2000 - Philips called that 'racism', then....went off to be Dobbo's running mate.
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Yup - that's how it was. It was funny, but it's probably Ray Cyst to laugh.
 
Larry O'Hara said:
the man who uttered disgraceful anti-semitic remarks to a Jewish journalist working for the Evening Standard
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ooooh, "anti-Semitic" . . . spooky phrase . . .

Mr Livingstone asked Mr Finegold if he used to be a "German war criminal".

When told that Mr Finegold was Jewish, and that he found the remark offensive, Mr Livingstone said he was like a "concentration camp guard" because he was just following orders.



. . . you've really got to dislike KL to make the anti-Semitic thing work :D


Anyway, back to your previous programming . . .
 
niksativa said:
Crucially it is about people from a world of backgrounds sharing in cultural forms that are different to those of their heritage - the very essence of multiculturalism.
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Hummm . . . this is not multiculturalism. What you describe above is interculturalism: where people learn about other people's music, food, literature, festivals etc.

I once posted a huge post about what multiculturalism means about three years ago, fuck knows where my references are now, I'll try and dig them up again. The problem is the term has been banded about, and twisted to cover up political idiocy for so long that people now apply it to situations that it does not represent.

Multiculturalism is a circumstance where separate cultures exist in a geographical space, are seen as of equal validity, but do not and should not intersect. Multiculturalism is a warping of ideas about cultural relativism, where stasis and separation are seen to protect a perceived culture, as the only way to avoid 'racism', and is seen to, therefore, protect and address the needs of a culture's members.

A multiculturalist policy is one that perceives an individual through the lens of his culture, assuming identities and needs based on ideas about his or her culture, and treats that individual accordingly.

So, on a basic local council level, if you are an 18-year-old lass from Dewsbury called Farah, the local council will perceive you as an 'Asian Muslim', and they will see you as requiring X, Y and Z - such as Asian women's swimming days, Asian women's sewing night classes, needing information about arranged marriages, a list of female-only GP surgeries, a home that is within walking distance to a mosque etc.

While this can be an accurate provision of services sometimes, there are some major problems with this approach, particularly when it gets to a national level.

The first is the extreme focus on what 'culture' is identity - I suspect this is the reason why 'Muslim' has suddenly become, to all intents and purposes, something like a racial identity was twenty years ago. Farah might see herself, primarily, as a secular woman from a liberal Bangladeshi background, but she will be seen as 'Asian Muslim', and the services provided to her will be 'Asian Muslim'.

The second is that policy makers and upholders have received most of their ideas about a culture's needs and requirements through non-elected representatives of that culture. This state of affairs is extremely bad for the weaker members of a culture, otherwise referred to as a 'community', Often women, children, the elderly, as they have no voice and no say in what their needs actually may be, end up rather screwed.

The third is that multiculturalism does not recognise polycultural individuals. You cannot be Muslim and English. You belong to either one or the other, and will be treated accordingly. And, sometimes, you don't even get a choice.

The fourth is that such multicultural practices mean that other cultures can easily assume grievances. They are excluded from the provisions given to other cultures, and this can be, and is, used politically. Therefore, you get arguments like 'the council cut the funding for his elderly mum's exercise class and it had to close, but I notice they still fund the Asian women's swimming club - which his mum is not allowed to attend." This is where you begin to create deeply-held animosities towards other cultural groups, which eventually result in an Oldham-esque environment. It can also be used to support other demands amongst cultures (think of the allowances given to Sikh motorbike riders being used to support the right to wear hijab).

Multiculturalism, imho, is responsible for a lot of the shit the UK suffers from at present. It reinforces segregation and has led to a wholesale disregard for individuals as individuals. It is no surprise that perceived membership of a 'culture' has become the primary political definer of an individual's identity to the extent of 'travelling whilst Asian'. This is the logically conclusion of the way that multiculturalism makes us see other people.
 
Tony Parsons on immigration, etc, mmm..

from the Mirror

IF YOU'RE HAIR TO STAY, SHUT IT
4 September 2006

ONE of the strangest sights of our age is the way that the left wing and right wing have exchanged their views on immigration. Once the left were unthinkingly in favour of mass immigration. It showed they were non-racist, non-xenophobic and that all men are brothers. Now the left understand that mass immigration creates a pool of cheap labour, increases the number of indigenous unemployed and puts incredible strains on schools, hospitals and housing. And once orthodox right-wing thinkers were against immigration because they didn't want a bunch of Johnny Foreigners coming over here to scrounge off our welfare services, mount our women, pinch our bottoms and stink the place out with garlic.

But now right-wing thinkers understand that mass immigration stimulates the economy, provides a flexible source of motivated, inexpensive labour and increases competition among men keen to fiddle with your stopcock. It's a total turnaround. These days you are more likely to hear a Labour politician fulminating about immigration than a Tory - because the Labour man knows the effect that bringing in the 700,000 East Europeans has had on his working-class community and it hasn't been good. What a rich nation like Britain offers immigrants is something to hold on to - usually a broom. But that is a broom (or a spanner, or a steering wheel, or a dentist's drill) that will not be held by a local. What nobody can deny about all those East Europeans immigrants is that they are happy to be here. All the Poles I know - and if you live in London, you know plenty - are cheerful, hardworking, decent and grateful for a chance to better themselves.

How can anyone knock that? It's what we all want, isn't it? And they love the UK.

I am grateful to those Poles for loving my country, especially at a time when we are becoming accustomed to hearing people with British passports telling us how much they hate the place and would like to make a few changes (bombs on public transport, Sharia law, perhaps a new flag - stuff like that).
Abu Abdullah, British-born and a chum of jailed cleric Abu Hamza, praises the mass murder of July 7 with the weasel words, "Sometimes the innocent have to pay the price." Abu Uzair, British born and another bloodthirsty beardie, says the hijackers of 9/11 were "brave warriors". Uzair is also quite keen on the idea of jihad - holy war - in the UK. Hmmm, not sure if that will catch on, Abu. Then there is my favourite, good old Anjem Choudary of Ilford, Essex, who often turns up on TV explaining why the infidels have got it coming.

more
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tonyparsons/
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And a bit of background from a cracking web site:

The trend in the employment rate is broadly flat while the trend in the unemployment rate continues to increase. The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance benefit and the number of job vacancies have both increased. Growth in average earnings, both excluding and including bonuses, has increased.

The employment rate for people of working age was 74.6 per cent for the three months ending in June 2006, down 0.1 over the quarter and down 0.2 over the year.

The number of people in employment for the three months ending in June 2006 was 28.94 million, up 42,000 over the quarter and up 240,000 over the year. Total hours worked per week were 926.9 million, up 2.3 million over the quarter and up 8.8 million over the year. These figures for total employment and hours worked are the highest since comparable records began in 1971.

The unemployment rate was 5.5 per cent, up 0.3 over the quarter and up 0.7 over the year. The number of unemployed people increased by 92,000 over the quarter and by 243,000 over the year, to reach 1.68 million.

The claimant count was 957,000 in July 2006, up 2,000 on the previous month and up 90,900 on the year.

The inactivity rate for people of working age was 21.0 per cent for the three months ending in June 2006, down 0.2 over the quarter and down 0.4 over the year. The last time the rate was lower was in the three months to May 1992. The number of economically inactive people of working age fell by 46,000 over the quarter to reach 7.82 million.

The annual rate of growth in average earnings (the AEI), excluding bonuses, was 3.9 per cent in June 2006, up 0.1 from the previous month. Including bonuses it was 4.3 per cent, up 0.2 from the previous month.

The average number of job vacancies for the three months to July 2006 was 603,900. This was up 7,600 on the previous quarter but down 21,900 over the year. The sector showing the largest increase over the quarter was Finance and Business Services which increased by 10,700.

The redundancy rate for the three months to June 2006 was 5.6 per 1,000 employees. This is down from 5.8 for the previous quarter.
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JHE said:
You're wrong. Ken knows that what we need is more exhortation to 'celebrate multiculturalism'. It's vibrant and diverse - and there are well-paid jobs for the most dedicated celebrators.
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Sadly too true........
 
What's needed, of course, is loads of signs all over the places with his jobtitle on them. And billboards informing us that "WE ARE LONDONERS And a bid for the olympics without consulting Londoners or giving any space to the arguments against it. :rolleyes:
 
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