ken clarke: 'bogus war put uk in grave danger'
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I've more respect for Clarke then most labour MPs. He was one of the only fuckers in the House of Commons to seriously challenge Blair on the war.
The Tories do seem to enjoy choosing unelectable cunts as leaders. Clarke would at least put pressure on Blair. If the tories took back some of the territory Nu Labour stole, Labour would be forced leftwards.
The Tories do seem to enjoy choosing unelectable cunts as leaders. Clarke would at least put pressure on Blair. If the tories took back some of the territory Nu Labour stole, Labour would be forced leftwards.
Mickey2star
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DexterTCN said:
Dont think the Tories are able to actually have a plan... any more than George Bush did for combatting flooding in New Orleans..
rebel warrior
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Harold Hill said:
I think it is pretty absurd that you are still defending Tories like Boris Johnson.
It is okay to come out and admit you were wrong to argue that Tories are better for the working class than a former Labour MP, who is now the first MP to be elected as an explicit socialist standing to the Left of Labour since 1945. You don't have to keep up the bluff and bluster...
Which Respect councillor don't you like the past of? Michael Lavallette or Oliur Rahman? Which one of them has sold off council homes?
Why can't you admit that one rather defining characteristic of the working class in general is that they do, in fact, work? Surely the IWCA don't like the fact that the Tories like boosting unemployment and attacking trade unions?
It is fortunate that the IWCA are not trying to build in Carlisle or Merseyside really, ain't it...
rebel warrior said:
I don't see how he's defending Boris Johnson at all. What he is doing is saying he's preferable to a man who is trying to draw cleavages in the London working class like he very profitably (for himself) played on sectarian cleaveages in the Scottish working class.
I think dying of a heart attack would be preferable to dying of cancer, doesn't mean I'm defening it.
Another lie from you, Rebel.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Geri said:
He's one of the few Tories I would consider having a beer with, that's for sure.
I wouldn't vote for him or his party. Would one expect me to?
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
rebel warrior said:I think it is pretty absurd that you are still defending Tories like Boris Johnson.
It is okay to come out and admit you were wrong to argue that Tories are better for the working class than a former Labour MP, who is now the first MP to be elected as an explicit socialist standing to the Left of Labour since 1945. You don't have to keep up the bluff and bluster...
Which Respect councillor don't you like the past of? Michael Lavallette or Oliur Rahman? Which one of them has sold off council homes?
Why can't you admit that one rather defining characteristic of the working class in general is that they do, in fact, work? Surely the IWCA don't like the fact that the Tories like boosting unemployment and attacking trade unions?
It is fortunate that the IWCA are not trying to build in Carlisle or Merseyside really, ain't it...
Jesus. I never knew you were this desperate to find some shit to throw at the IWCA. No one will buy it of course but I guess the IWCA should be flattered their presence causes Respect members to resort to such blatant fuckwittery. The fact I never even had an IWCA hat on when expressing my own personal opinion which I'm happy to stick to. I'll quite happily defend Boris Johnson when I have to such as being criticised for an article he never wrote (Hillsborough). Maybe you should ask yourself why myself and plenty of others would rather a Tory buffoon than Galloway.
So Galloway was elected as a socialist? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. So not on an anti war ticket in the largest Muslim constituency in Britain then? Only thats what the rest of the world thinks.
You know exactly whom I'm referring to re the councillor thing. I remember you being very happy when she defected.
rebel warrior
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Harold Hill said:
I often express personal opinions on here 'without an SWP hat on', but I am always aware that things I say are at risk of being used by those with an anti-swp agenda - so I try to take some care with my opinions. You however, think that you can defend Tories and then claim that this has nothing to do with your personal politics whatsoever. It doesn't wash, frankly.
Jesus. He was the editor of the Spectator which published the article - he has to accept ultimate responsibility for the offensive shit that gets written in it. I think the only people who would prefer a Tory buffoon than Galloway as their MP are...Tories, and particularly stupid Tories at that.
If Muslims wanted to cast an 'anti-war' vote, they could have voted for a Muslim Lib Dem candidate. However, they rejected that option, and along with others from all sections of the community in Bethnal Green and Bow, voted for a Catholic socialist. Quite a few people on here it is true have yet to really work this one out - but there is a new book by Galloway coming out soon which should help people understand what happened.
We do indeed welcome people who defect from us to Labour, and want to build a socialist alternative to Blair and war. Indeed, more of such defections will be essential for Respect's success in the future.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i've heard things to the contrary...rebel warrior said:
rebel warrior
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Pickman's model said:
Doh! You know what I mean
Has anyone actually ever done that though, ie left Respect for New Labour?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
not that i know of, but they will.rebel warrior said:Doh! You know what I mean
Has anyone actually ever done that though, ie left Respect for New Labour?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
what i've heard is that the ruc have turned down applications for membership from a number of current labour councillors, which makes a nonsense of yr "we welcome labour types".rebel warrior said:Doh! You know what I mean
Has anyone actually ever done that though, ie left Respect for New Labour?
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
rebel warrior said:
i) Interesting. So one opinion makes a whole organistion accountable? Have you apologised for Galloways comments on abortion then?
ii) 'All sections of the community' eh. Believe it when I see it.
iii) So you're happy to have people onside who have applied the same Tory policies you accused of me of supporting earlier. Why do you do this to yourself?
rebel warrior said:
not the same Ken Clarke brain that led him to invite Oswald Moseley to speak at Cambridge University when he led the Tory students there by any chance?
rebel warrior
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Chuck Wilson said:
Yeah - good point, Galloway would never have done that...
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
no, he accepted invites from a well-known dictator (& spent xmas 1999 with that dictator's lackey) and was most effusive in his praise of said tyrant.rebel warrior said:
rebel warrior
Soca Warrior
Pickman's model said:
Yet he was actually opposed to that regime while Ken Clarke's lot were selling them arms, and meeting up with Saddam.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
there's an interesting interview with galloway in today's sunday times magazine.oisleep said:
he claims there are 10,000 ruc officers and members!
Pickman's model said:there's an interesting interview with galloway in today's sunday times magazine.
he claims there are 10,000 ruc officers and members!
i wouldn't have thought those 10,000 members would be happy with them riding roughshot over their constitution, 6,667 of them should have approved those changes before hand surely
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
if he was that opposed to them, why did he spend xmas 1999 with tariq aziz?? eh?rebel warrior said:
why, rebel, why? please share thine illumination with us mere mortals!
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
it seems that galloway's legal tribulations ain't over - there's a rematch with the telegraph, it seems, and should galloway lose it's curtains for the ruc's solitary mp.
& apparently galloway's spoken at 1,998 meetings since 11/9/01.
time to get the calculator out, methinx.
& apparently galloway's spoken at 1,998 meetings since 11/9/01.
time to get the calculator out, methinx.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
that's about 1.4 meetings a day every day since september 11, 2001.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Pickman's model said:if he was that opposed to them, why did he spend xmas 1999 with tariq aziz?? eh?
why, rebel, why? please share thine illumination with us mere mortals!
Why does Galloway's "prisoner solidarity" consist of this?
Surely there are prisoners more worthy of his efforts?
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