Keith the Vegan cat, is this right or forcing fuddy food fascism on felines
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scumbalina
Scummy Mummy
JTG said:
Goddamn it VP...be more specific!!
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Ms T said:
Maybe they should give the cat Red Bull.
Yeah, it's a bit off feeding a cat this way.
But then maybe it's worth thinking about what is in most pet food, that we assume is a decent meal for a kitty?
Most dry cat food is comprised of an absolutely tiny percentage of actual meat, some added vitamins. The rest is cheap carbohydrate filler. Stuff like seed husks. Cats haven't evolved to live off carbs, never mind seed husks, but no matter. Then they stick a name on this nonsense like 'science plan', and give nice backhanders to vets for promoting it. And it's so convenient, so cheap! Your cat gets what you pays for.
Most canned food is pretty diabolical too - check out the meat content on the side. Four percent if you are lucky.
Good news is, there are better cat foods out there.
Nature's Menu has 70% meat content. Your cat will thank you for it.
As a dry food Nutro Choice has a good meat content
But then maybe it's worth thinking about what is in most pet food, that we assume is a decent meal for a kitty?
Most dry cat food is comprised of an absolutely tiny percentage of actual meat, some added vitamins. The rest is cheap carbohydrate filler. Stuff like seed husks. Cats haven't evolved to live off carbs, never mind seed husks, but no matter. Then they stick a name on this nonsense like 'science plan', and give nice backhanders to vets for promoting it. And it's so convenient, so cheap! Your cat gets what you pays for.
Most canned food is pretty diabolical too - check out the meat content on the side. Four percent if you are lucky.
Good news is, there are better cat foods out there.
Nature's Menu has 70% meat content. Your cat will thank you for it.
As a dry food Nutro Choice has a good meat content
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
^ innit.moose said:Wrong, wrong, wrong. If they'er that strict about vegan principles, they probably shouldn't be enslaving an animal for their own pleasure anyway
selamlar said:
mrs quoad said:
That article (by Nina Plank) has been discredited by the NY Times' own public editor (Clark Hoyt).
The child didn't die because it was fed a vegan diet, it died because it was barely fed at all. But Plank ignores this and uses the fact that the parents are vegan to try to discredit veganism.
I wonder why you have to log in to read the public editor's response, but the original article is available to read without logging in.
Public editor's response: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/o...d=1&ei=5070&en=8760f9df36359be2&ex=1188360000
NY Times Public Editor said:
A quick google brings up plenty of sites that expose the original story to be a piece of untruthful one-sided hysterical anti-vegan bollocks
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=...&hs=ZFI&q=death+by+veganism&btnG=Search&meta=
Jazzz said:Yeah, it's a bit off feeding a cat this way.
But then maybe it's worth thinking about what is in most pet food, that we assume is a decent meal for a kitty?
Most dry cat food is comprised of an absolutely tiny percentage of actual meat, some added vitamins. The rest is cheap carbohydrate filler. Stuff like seed husks. Cats haven't evolved to live off carbs, never mind seed husks, but no matter. Then they stick a name on this nonsense like 'science plan', and give nice backhanders to vets for promoting it. And it's so convenient, so cheap! Your cat gets what you pays for.
Most canned food is pretty diabolical too - check out the meat content on the side. Four percent if you are lucky.
Good news is, there are better cat foods out there.
Nature's Menu has 70% meat content. Your cat will thank you for it.
As a dry food Nutro Choice has a good meat content
Yes even the so called 'posh' cat/dog food is mostly cereals and highly processed 'meat' unfit for human consumption. Tinned cat food is mostly water being held in jelly, something like upto 80% if I remember correctly. Anything thats as processed as animal food surely cant be healthy.
Whole generations that are now certifiable morons because of it 
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
this is one of the things that puts me off getting a cat, i have no idea what to feed it. i could certainly go to the supermarket and buy ne of every type of food but as i said earlier i would like to get as close to its natural diet as possible but i wouldnt know where to start
northernhord
Active Member
ShiftyBagLady said:
Meat
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
just meat? not pork though? what about carbs? veg? smoothies? how about nuts, are they allergic? you see, its a can of worms. can they eat worms?
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
selamlar said:
Yep, or baby formula. It was sort of a lame attempt at an analogy. Could have picked anything really, like it's like deciding to have a baby and then never changing its nappy, or something. A comment on the aspect of responsibility that goes with taking on a pet (or, in my rather crap example, having a baby).
northernhord
Active Member
ShiftyBagLady said:
The fleet of cats at hord towers eat different brands and flavours of tinned cat food and any meat scraps that come there way.
They also eat bitsa cheese on odd occasions.
They dont seem that interested in carbos, i think they get a bit from the tined food though.
As far as smoothies go, Max the elder male moggz of the house enjoys hoki fillet smoothies a coupla times a year.
They are a lively and healthy fleet of cats too
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
you sound like a great owner poor keith should run away to join your fleet
poor keith should run away to join your fleet
northernhord
Active Member
ShiftyBagLady said:you sound like a great owner
hehehe
There is room for one more as 'Old Dear' carked it a few months ago and the cat that's replaced her is an arrogent agressive lil slut, there is much in the way of fleet wars at the mo, the two ladies and knocking ten tons out of each other and the tomcat swipes em into line evry now and again
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Incidentally, our mog gets this stuff: http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/index.htm
Not tested on animals either. Well, it is, obviously, but not in the nasty way
Not tested on animals either. Well, it is, obviously, but not in the nasty way
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Wow, that's an insanely bad bit of researching from the VegSoc there! Really, I'm shocked. No taurine or B12 wtf?! - I'll just throw my marmite and red bull away thenmentalchik said:Even the vegetarian society advise against giving a cat a veggie diet !
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/catfood.html
Honestly people shouldn't have a cat if they feel this strongly !
FWIW I am a fence sitter of the highest regards on this issue. It is possible to get a fully nutritious meal for cats without using any animal products - several certified brands are available on the internet if anybody cares to search for them - and to suggest that feeding them this stuff in a loving environment it's animal cruelty is hysterical in the extreme. Lots of people and organisations end up rescuing cats from one situation or another and some of those people are against all animal deaths, I don't feel it's really fair to pour scorn on those who'd devote their time to making an animal feel safe and loved just because they don't want to compromise their own beliefs, as long as they're doing it properly (ie. with the aforementioned complete meal stuff).
I certainly wouldn't encourage a vegan to get a cat as given the chance they'll go and eat all the wild animals anyway, but if it's the choice between housing a cat and keeping it healthy but meat free or leaving it to be abused or die, then I know which side I support.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
Cats are the most carnivorous creatures on the planet, they have an insanely short digestive system - not long enough to adequately break down plant-derived protein. They need the same ratio of muscle meat, offal, bone, and proteins (taurine etc) that would be found in its prey. The only vegetable matter would be in the stomach of the prey, and a bit of grass which cats nibble on occassionally.
Incidentally, most of the cat food you find in shops is shit and they can't digest it well because it contains too many plant/cereal-derived proteins. I order 92% meat and offal cat food online and it's the only meat in the house.
IMO if you're squeamish about feeding an animal meat, you should get a rabbit. Hugely long digestive tract, eats grass, digests it, eats its pellets to make sure that any nutrition missed in the first pass gets absorbed in the second. ie. it's a herbivore.
Incidentally, most of the cat food you find in shops is shit and they can't digest it well because it contains too many plant/cereal-derived proteins. I order 92% meat and offal cat food online and it's the only meat in the house.
IMO if you're squeamish about feeding an animal meat, you should get a rabbit. Hugely long digestive tract, eats grass, digests it, eats its pellets to make sure that any nutrition missed in the first pass gets absorbed in the second. ie. it's a herbivore.
