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Keegan: Not the brightest

He's got to face a hostile away ground at some point, what better than a full capacity Emirates? as I've mentioned already, he comes on, does a blinding tackle, and gets berated for it, he can't win.

The only bad feeling from us (or I should say me), if there is any, is towards that knacker Nasri, sums up neatly the cynical/cheating style of football Arsenal are so good at.
 
asbestos said:
He's got to face a hostile away ground at some point, what better than a full capacity Emirates? as I've mentioned already, he comes on, does a blinding tackle, and gets berated for it, he can't win.

The only bad feeling from us (or I should say me), if there is any, is towards that knacker Nasri, sums up neatly the cynical/cheating style of football Arsenal are so good at.
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you mean 'after arsenal played the Toon off the park, without ever hitting top gear, or even needing to'!
 
tangerinedream said:
I'm saying it's a big bag of hypocrisy all the hot air expended by just about everyone about a single player 'transgressing the moral code of football' when clearly it doesn't exist. Look at the owners of City and Chelsea for example - I reckon the human cost of their actions (violent or otherwise) far outweighs those of Barton. Barton, like Keegan said is a young lad with problems and like many other young men the world over is entitled to try to earn his living. He's been given one more chance. Keegan has known him since he was really young, I think fair play to Keegan because he's been quite brave I reckon.

If extremely dodgy, corrupt and frankly sinister mafia/mafia-esque characters are allowed to own clubs then why isn't a player with convictions for assault allowed to play?

If football was some kind of Corinthian model of sporting fairness then these writers, pundits and posters could perhaps be justified in demanding Barton is thrown from the game but it isn't - In my opinion, if we are going to ask why that is the case, then Barton comes pretty low on the list of reasons.
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I've never thought about it like that so thanks for the thought-provoking post.

'Course, lots of wrongs don't make a right, so maybe we should be wishing Barton and said chairmen out of the game?
 
Streathamite said:
you mean 'after arsenal played the Toon off the park, without ever hitting top gear, or even needing to'!
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I've already mentioned that Arsenal played us off the park, they played some great football yesterday, but to me Nasri showed all to well what Arsenal become once the veneer of quality football is removed.
 
asbestos said:
The only bad feeling from us (or I should say me), if there is any, is towards that knacker Nasri, sums up neatly the cynical/cheating style of football Arsenal are so good at.
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the whole crowd cheered him for a cheeky trip as barton ran past him. he endeared himself quite a bit yesterday and has had a good start to the season. arsenal are no worse, probably actually a little bit better than most teams when it comes to cheating.
the rest of the country admire arsenal's style of play. you call it a cynical/cheating style. millions must be wrong or perhaps you're right, particularly with your objective view having just watched them piss all over your team. :p
 
jugularvein said:
the whole crowd cheered him for a cheeky trip as barton ran past him. he endeared himself quite a bit yesterday and has had a good start to the season. arsenal are no worse, probably actually a little bit better than most teams when it comes to cheating.
the rest of the country admire arsenal's style of play. you call it a cynical/cheating style. millions must be wrong or perhaps you're right, particularly with your objective view having just watched them piss all over your team. :p
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No, what I said was that once the quality of Arsenals football (that I already have praised on this thread) starts to go out the window, they are all too capable of becoming cynical/cheating, more so than most teams.
 
Sorry, if people expect everyone just to forget everything that Joey Barton's done and say he's served his time (which actually he hasn;t as he's still on the opertaional period of a suspended sentence and I think he's still on licence too) so let's wipe the slate clean, it's not going to happen. When has it ever worked like that?

Perosnally I think the Joey Barton's of this world shouldn't be playing football professionally, but if he is going to get any measure of redemption it's going to take time and effort.
 
asbestos said:
No, what I said was that once the quality of Arsenals football (that I already have praised on this thread) starts to go out the window, they are all too capable of becoming cynical/cheating, more so than most teams.
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There was absolutely NO quality with the match between Us and Fulham (in fact we were as dire as I can recall at any time in my support of the Arse')

Can you explain where exactly Arsenal became "cheating" and "cynical" in that game?
 
tangerinedream said:
I'm saying it's a big bag of hypocrisy all the hot air expended by just about everyone about a single player 'transgressing the moral code of football' when clearly it doesn't exist. Look at the owners of City and Chelsea for example - I reckon the human cost of their actions (violent or otherwise) far outweighs those of Barton. Barton, like Keegan said is a young lad with problems and like many other young men the world over is entitled to try to earn his living. He's been given one more chance. Keegan has known him since he was really young, I think fair play to Keegan because he's been quite brave I reckon.

If extremely dodgy, corrupt and frankly sinister mafia/mafia-esque characters are allowed to own clubs then why isn't a player with convictions for assault allowed to play?

If football was some kind of Corinthian model of sporting fairness then these writers, pundits and posters could perhaps be justified in demanding Barton is thrown from the game but it isn't - In my opinion, if we are going to ask why that is the case, then Barton comes pretty low on the list of reasons.
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I understand that he's "served his time". Though judging by the look on his face on Sunday, he doesn't appear to have learned his lesson. Contrition isn't in his nature. Barton's still a nasty wee thug, sorry.

He's also got a lot of previous too... and not just as far as his own team mates are concerned either.
 
Barton's tackle was within the laws of the game yes but anyone who saw how he launched into it could see it wasn't perhaps in the spirit of it, he cleared aimed to take the ball and hammer the man at the same time. Barton is nasty wee cunt and frankly I hope someone breaks his leg. As for the stuff about dodgy chairmen, that's capitalism it's cuntish in nature, it doesn't excuse Barton at all, anymore than the existence of Bill Gates means we should turn a blind eye to common muggers and rapists.
 
tangerinedream said:
I'm saying it's a big bag of hypocrisy all the hot air expended by just about everyone about a single player 'transgressing the moral code of football' when clearly it doesn't exist. Look at the owners of City and Chelsea for example - I reckon the human cost of their actions (violent or otherwise) far outweighs those of Barton. Barton, like Keegan said is a young lad with problems and like many other young men the world over is entitled to try to earn his living. He's been given one more chance. Keegan has known him since he was really young, I think fair play to Keegan because he's been quite brave I reckon.

If extremely dodgy, corrupt and frankly sinister mafia/mafia-esque characters are allowed to own clubs then why isn't a player with convictions for assault allowed to play?

If football was some kind of Corinthian model of sporting fairness then these writers, pundits and posters could perhaps be justified in demanding Barton is thrown from the game but it isn't - In my opinion, if we are going to ask why that is the case, then Barton comes pretty low on the list of reasons.
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moral code of football? as has been said he's still being punished for pretty serious crime(s) that go way beyond that. i agree that he should be able to play again, after serving what the police have and fa will hand out to him. removing him of his lielihood after serving those would be unfair. what i don't understand is why keegan gave him 2 mins when the fa are seeing barton on friday? it certainly was a brave decision, but in my eyes, completely stupid.

comparisons with other areas of the game... well who's going to stand up to those sort of crooks? the police or the fa?

ADD - didn't barton get paid in prison? how's that for entitlement to earn your living
 
iROBOT said:
There was absolutely NO quality with the match between Us and Fulham (in fact we were as dire as I can recall at any time in my support of the Arse')

Can you explain where exactly Arsenal became "cheating" and "cynical" in that game?
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They didn't, as you mentioned you were dire, and with that, incapable of either cheating or cynicism. (you lot have to be at least on your game before you can achieve either).
 
asbestos said:
They didn't, as you mentioned you were dire, and with that, incapable of either cheating or cynicism. (you lot have to be at least on your game before you can achieve either).
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:rolleyes: Whatever

Proof positive that Barton is a cunt.





Well done Samir. :cool:
 
nino_savatte said:
Barton's still a nasty wee thug, sorry.
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I don't dispute that - I just think when there are nastier and bigger thugs running the game you can't demand Barton be thrown into the wilderness without being a hypocrite - I agree 2 wrongs don't make a right but I, personally, am more bothered about other wrongs, which are glossed over by the same media etc who demand further retribution against Barton.
 
tangerinedream said:
I don't dispute that - I just think when there are nastier and bigger thugs running the game you can't demand Barton be thrown into the wilderness without being a hypocrite - I agree 2 wrongs don't make a right but I, personally, am more bothered about other wrongs, which are glossed over by the same media etc who demand further retribution against Barton.
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How, if it was possible i'd get rid of the big wig cunts too, just because it presently isn't doesn't mean to say we should tolerate cunts like Barton as well.
 
tangerinedream said:
I don't dispute that - I just think when there are nastier and bigger thugs running the game you can't demand Barton be thrown into the wilderness without being a hypocrite - I agree 2 wrongs don't make a right but I, personally, am more bothered about other wrongs, which are glossed over by the same media etc who demand further retribution against Barton.
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I think you're getting a wee bit carried away with yourself. No one is organising some sort of witch hunt against Barton.

I'm not a gambling man but I'm willing to bet that he will be involved in another violent incident.

Name me one footballer who has done what Barton has done.
 
What footballer hasn't stuck a lit cigar into a teammates eye as a highly amusing jape? Or assaulted another teammate by blindsiding him into unconsciousness during training? Or been involved in numerous off field incidents with members of Joe Public.

I mean, Barton's a credit to any club or employer, isn't he?
 
tarannau said:
What footballer hasn't stuck a lit cigar into a teammates eye as a highly amusing jape? Or assaulted another teammate by blindsiding him into unconsciousness during training? Or been involved in numerous off field incidents with members of Joe Public.

I mean, Barton's a credit to any club or employer, isn't he?
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no, but that tackle against Arsenal was great.
 
Relahni said:
no, but that tackle against Arsenal was great.
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What, this tackle?
:D


Still, good to see the sneering cock get his comeuppance, on behalf of Dabo by his french colleagues, fairly quickly afterwards.

Keegan was hilarious, arguing that Barton had been 'scythed' down and calling for a red card. It was a little bit of handbags - Nasri's yellow card and a red face for Barton was deserved - and King Kev's already showing worrying signs of losing it.

Why the fuck bring him on then? No way he was going to change the game - all he was likely to do was get himself in trouble. Which, from that first, leering clumsy shoulder tackle, was exactly what he did. Old Kev didn't need be Nostradamus.
 
Barton hasn't killed anyone. Lee Hughes has yet he quietly plies his trade at Oldham without any moral high-horsing from the media.
 
To be fair, as awful as Hughes' accident was, it seems to have been a one-off.

Barton has, however, been a violent plum despite repeated chances.
 
No, but if you're wittering on about the idea of forgiveness and having learnt after serving their time, then Barton's hardly a high falluting example, is he?

How many chances?
 
but I'm NOT wittering on about people having learnt. ALthough it would be nice to think that Barton will learn one day.

I'm saying that Barton HASN'T killed anyone, there is another player who has but doesn't suffer the moral outrage.

if you're going to get moralistic about players with prison sentences and convictions then there are others with more serious convictions who no-one is complaining about. and various owners...
 
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