Kanye West?

[Lord Camomile]

Jay-Z's face says it all

Annie Lennox (I think ) in the top/mid-right corner too.

 

[The Octagon]

Shirley Manson wrote Kanye a letter

"Dear Kanye West,

"It is YOU who is so busy disrespecting artistry.

"You disrespect your own remarkable talents and more importantly you disrespect the talent, hard work and tenacity of all artists when you go so rudely and savagely after such an accomplished and humble artist like BECK.

"You make yourself look small and petty and spoilt.

"In attempting to reduce the importance of one great talent over another, you make a mockery of all musicians and music from every genre, including your own.

"Grow up and stop throwing your toys around.

"You are making yourself look like a complete twat.

"P.s. I am pretty certain Beyonce doesn't need you fighting any battles on her account. Seems like she's got everything covered perfectly well on her own."

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"P.s. I am pretty certain Beyonce doesn't need you fighting any battles on her account. Seems like she's got everything covered perfectly well on her own."

That's the thing isn't it. She doesn't need Kanye to make herself known. It not like Beyoncé has been ignored by the Grammys. She's won 20 times and been nominated 53 times. She's the second most nominated woman in Grammy history.

 

[Ted Striker]

He would have got away with it too if he hadn't started ranting afterwards

Jay-Z's face says it all

'ye = PMSL. I always cringe a little when people make up their own nicknames.

I love this. Reminds me of Ed Miliband on PMQT

 

[killer b]

Can we assume Shirley Manson has a new album out?

 

[antimata]

douche.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

In a way I don't really blame Kanye. The first time he did this, it was on him. This is the second time and everyone had fair warning that he doesn't handle his friends losing well. Whoever put him within reach of the stage is partly at fault this time. Or, leave him there, but station someone there with a net.

 

[Silva]

Can we assume Shirley Manson has a new album out?

A book, I think.

 

[SpookyFrank]

In a way I don't really blame Kanye. The first time he did this, it was on him. This is the second time and everyone had fair warning that he doesn't handle his friends losing well. Whoever put him within reach of the stage is partly at fault this time. Or, leave him there, but station someone there with a net.

I just read what he actually said about Beck, that he should 'respect artistry' and give his award to Beyonce. So in the name of art, the multi-insrumentalist genre-straddling singer songwriter should give his award to a woman whose songs, which mostly seem to be about her own backside, are written by a committee of two dozen marketing experts and 'performed' by auto tune.

Yeah, I can blame him for saying shit like that. And also for everything else he's ever done, which is also terrible.

 

[salem]

That's the funniest thing about the whole situation. It's just utterly absurd and bizarre.

 

[killer b]

a woman whose songs, which mostly seem to be about her own backside, are written by a committee of two dozen marketing experts and 'performed' by auto tune.

which of her songs are about her own backside?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

which of her songs are about her own backside?

Has she written any about Jay-Z. They'd count right?

 

[SpookyFrank]

which of her songs are about her own backside?

I'm just assuming from all the arse-waggling in the videos tbh. I generally can't make head nor tail of what the actual lyrics were before the vocals got tortured to death by robots. Sometimes it's not clear there ever were any lyrics, or any vocals for that matter. It could easily just be the barking noises of a wounded seal, sampled and processed until it sounds like the barking of an even more grievously wounded seal.

 

[killer b]

Full of shit, as ever.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I mean really, what the fuck is this supposed to be:



Artistry? Nah mate, that's garbage is what that is.

 

[salem]

which of her songs are about her own backside?

You could say bootylicious (Cause my body too bootylicious for ya babe) which a quick look on wikipedia shows she claimed to have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootylicious#Questions_about_authorship

Rob Fusari said in 2010 he alone had the idea for the song and had wanted to use a guitar riff from the song "Eye of the Tiger" but after not being able to find it used a similar riff from the Stevie Nicks song "Edge of Seventeen". After hearing Beyoncé claim credit for the song in an interview with Barbara Walters, he telephoned Mathew Knowles,

And he explained to me, in a nice way, he said, "People don't want to hear about Rob Fusari, producer from Livingston, N.J. No offense, but that's not what sells records. What sells records is people believing that the artist is everything." And I'm like, "Yeah, I know, Mathew. I understand the game. But come on, I'm trying too. I'm a squirrel trying to get a nut, too."[9]

Although I really don't know much about it tbf

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I just read what he actually said about Beck, that he should 'respect artistry' and give his award to Beyonce. So in the name of art, the multi-insrumentalist genre-straddling singer songwriter should give his award to a woman whose songs, which mostly seem to be about her own backside, are written by a committee of two dozen marketing experts and 'performed' by auto tune.

Yeah, I can blame him for saying shit like that. And also for everything else he's ever done, which is also terrible.

I was just making the point that him going back up on stage this second time is something the Grammy organizers could have prevented. Personally, I'd ban him from the Grammys in the future. If by some fluke, he wins an award, he can send Beyoncé to accept it for him.

 

[killer b]

BTW, what seems to be missing in the coverage of this clusterfuck is the background of an ongoing debate about racism in the grammys - black artists, despite making a huge amount of the most successful music coming out of America are consistently overlooked in the awards.

Check out the winners this year. How many black faces, outside the ghetto categories and lifetime achievment gongs? Is (another) worthy album by a white guy with a guitar really a reflection of what's going on in American pop music right now? Either way, since when did the Grammys reflect quality?

Seriously. Any wonder a black artist might be fucked off that again music by black artists is overlooked by an industry they help keep afloat?

 

[butchersapron]

That's not what he gave a fuck about.

And to universalise him down to black artist (the one that fights white people), come on.

The way that racist structures work, this prick pointing out that they these structures didn't reward him/his

 

[rutabowa]

BTW, what seems to be missing in the coverage of this clusterfuck is the background of an ongoing debate about racism in the grammys - black artists, despite making a huge amount of the most successful music coming out of America are consistently overlooked in the awards.

Check out the winners this year. How many black faces, outside the ghetto categories and lifetime achievment gongs? Is (another) worthy album by a white guy with a guitar really a reflection of what's going on in American pop music right now? Either way, since when did the Grammys reflect quality?

Seriously. Any wonder a black artist might be fucked off that again music by black artists is overlooked by an industry they help keep afloat?

Everett True is bringing up this on facebook a lot.

 

[The Octagon]

BTW, what seems to be missing in the coverage of this clusterfuck is the background of an ongoing debate about racism in the grammys - black artists, despite making a huge amount of the most successful music coming out of America are consistently overlooked in the awards.

Check out the winners this year. How many black faces, outside the ghetto categories and lifetime achievment gongs? Is (another) worthy album by a white guy with a guitar really a reflection of what's going on in American pop music right now? Either way, since when did the Grammys reflect quality?

Seriously. Any wonder a black artist might be fucked off that again music by black artists is overlooked by an industry they help keep afloat?

Beyonce has 20 Grammy awards, placing her second in the all time list (just ahead of Aretha Franklin (18), and Alicia Keys (15))
Kanye and Jay-Z both have 21 Grammy wins, behind all time holder Quincy Jones (27).

I'm really not sure you can argue that black artists have been ignored in this specific context, especially in recent years.

And anyway, that's not what Kanye was complaining about, it's just what he used to cover for the fact he thinks he knows better than everyone else when it comes to music

 

[killer b]

look at the winners. How many of them are black outside the rap/r&b categories and the lifetime achievement ones?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grammy-awards-2015-the-complete-winners-list-20150208

Maybe it's overegging it to say he's striking a blow for equal rights, but I think it does have some relevance...

 

[SpookyFrank]

Check out the winners this year. How many black faces, outside the ghetto categories and lifetime achievment gongs? Is (another) worthy album by a white guy with a guitar really a reflection of what's going on in American pop music right now? Either way, since when did the Grammys reflect quality?

Yeah, that 'lifetime achievement' award is a real fuck you ain't it?

 

[killer b]

(BTW, all bar 2 of Beyonce's Grammys are for R&B related categories)

 

[SpookyFrank]

look at the winners. How many of them are black outside the rap/r&b categories and the lifetime achievement ones?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grammy-awards-2015-the-complete-winners-list-20150208

How many awards, outside of the categories where black people won awards, were won by black people?

Kind of a trick question ain't it?

 

[killer b]

so it's ok to create ghetto categories for the blacks is it frank?

 

[SpookyFrank]

(BTW, all bar 2 of Beyonce's Grammys are for R&B related categories)

So we should give her a grammy for best bluegrass album?

I'm not saying there's no racism in the music business, I just don't think the grammy results are the most important manifestation of it. Whether artists get heard at all, or even get the chance to make music in the first place; that may be more important than who wins awards.

 

[SpookyFrank]

so it's ok to create ghetto categories for the blacks is it frank?

Ghetto is your word, and arguably a poorly chosen one in this context.

 

[killer b]

Argue why it's poorly chosen.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I don't know much about Kanye West but I do know he was absolutely fucking awful that year he was at the Big Chill. I was disgusted enough that he was on the bill in the first place.