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Justice for Keith Blakelock

editor said:
Any chance of the personal-abuse-o-meter being taken down a notch or two please?
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Sorry ed, please forgive me...back to justice for Blakelock...

...Pickmans - as you were...
 
Pickman's model said:
i was under the impression - reinforced, i admit, by reports in the press - that he was hacked to death rather than battered to death. unless, of course, you know better.
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The definition: hit heavily with violent blow, still applies even if those blows were inflicted with knives or axes or whatever. Don't you think?

but I really must agree with fanta that it is really beside the point.
 
knopf said:
.... unless, of course, Blakelock had been a member of the public -- in which case, he'd have fallen down the stairs while carrying a drawer full of cutlery.
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Your implication being that if a member of the public was 'hacked' to death by a mob of policemen then it would be written up and accepted that the death was accidental. Really?
 
fanta said:
LOL You desperate wanker! :D

'Battered to death' or 'Hacked to death' - what is the crucial difference with regard to what angry mob is talking about and the point s/he is making?

The answer is NOTHING! :eek:
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The implements used to kill him can make a difference to the charges that cabn be raised against the perpetrators. As far as I know striking someone with a boot or fist is "assault" whereas using a knife adds the suffix "with a deadly weapon".

Face it Tallulah, you should stick to trying to wind up people on threads about the IRA. :)
 
angry bob said:
Your implication being that if a member of the public was 'hacked' to death by a mob of policemen then it would be written up and accepted that the death was accidental. Really?
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Why not? They run around shooting people 'accidently' on a regular basis and try to cover up the facts.

Christ almighty, in your bed, in your car, leaving the pub, taking the tube etc....is nowhere safe?
 
angry bob said:
Your implication being that if a member of the public was 'hacked' to death by a mob of policemen then it would be written up and accepted that the death was accidental. Really?
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Stranger things have happened.
 
Like the Manchester student who was writing a thesis on the police and came across evidence that the police in that city were out of control and acting as provocateurs.

He house was burgled and material he had written went missing. He was attacked in the street one night by a group of men, one of whom stabbed a cigarette in his face. He subsequently left the country as he was fearful for his life.

It's a funny old world.
 
Got a link for that, MC5?

As for "countless innocents" dying in Police custody, Zonk, I think you may find they're counted rather carefully. Try the Home Office website.
 
MC5 said:
Like the Manchester student who was writing a thesis on the police and came across evidence that the police in that city were out of control and acting as provocateurs.

He house was burgled and material he had written went missing. He was attacked in the street one night by a group of men, one of whom stabbed a cigarette in his face. He subsequently left the country as he was fearful for his life.

It's a funny old world.
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Wow. Source please.
 
editor said:
Err, I'm hardly likely to go out and buy a bloody book.
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if you've got enhanced leisure time you could try googling, you'll find some quotes, some reviews, some positive, some critical
 
rednblack said:
if you've got enhanced leisure time you could try googling, you'll find some quotes, some reviews, some positive, some critical
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I haven't got that privilege, I'm afraid.

I work for a living.
 
Martin Walker wrote Dirty Medicine and his latest book is Skewed, its about how the psychiatric lobby and its friends in the pharmeceutical industry have 'captured' M.E
 
tobyjug said:
Countless, that is total rubbish.
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Well I've given up counting...

Perhaps you'd like to investigate and post all the individuals names on here...

No I didn't think you really gave a toss.
 
MC5 said:
Like the Manchester student who was writing a thesis on the police and came across evidence that the police in that city were out of control and acting as provocateurs.

He house was burgled and material he had written went missing. He was attacked in the street one night by a group of men, one of whom stabbed a cigarette in his face. He subsequently left the country as he was fearful for his life.

It's a funny old world.
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Funny fellow as well. Hard to say whether the experience made him slighly unhinged or whether he was slightly unhinged before .
 
ViolentPanda said:
The implements used to kill him can make a difference to the charges that cabn be raised against the perpetrators. As far as I know striking someone with a boot or fist is "assault" whereas using a knife adds the suffix "with a deadly weapon".
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So what? I imagine the charge would nevertheless be murder.

What point are you struggling to make here?

(PS you seem as obssessed about the IRA as the obscure fool whose name I can't recall is about George Galloway. Maybe you're related? :))
 
A big problem with the concept of 'justice' is that it gets tossed around like a washed salad by irrational, biased and paranoid minds. Just what chance has it really got?

(The fact that the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six were eventually 'found not guilty' and released, does not necessarily mean they were all really innocent - it means that there was not enough bona fide evidence available to the courts.)

As for Constable Blakelock, well perhaps if there was no colour or community alienation issue perhaps there might be a result.

OJ, OJ, oivay!
 
guilford 4 and birmingham 6 were completely innocent the bombers who actually planted the bombs were in jail as well for other crimes :rolleyes:
there only crime was being irish and not standing up to interrogation :(
so lets shut that one down right now :mad:
 
FruitandNut said:
A big problem with the concept of 'justice' is that it gets tossed around like a washed salad by irrational, biased and paranoid minds. Just what chance has it really got?

(The fact that the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six were eventually 'found not guilty' and released, does not necessarily mean they were all really innocent - it means that there was not enough bona fide evidence available to the courts.)
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I say that a bigger problem were posts like the above as it goes - if we're talking rhetorical silliness. Do you think being released and aplogised to, and cleared of all involvement means that somehow they were actually guilty then? It just couldn't be proven? And you've the cheek to moan about people toassing the word 'justice' around?
 
likesfish said:
guilford 4 and birmingham 6 were completely innocent the bombers who actually planted the bombs were in jail as well for other crimes :rolleyes:
there only crime was being irish and not standing up to interrogation :(
so lets shut that one down right now :mad:
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Innit, Didnt the Balcombe Street Gang admit to planting the bombs to the Police years before the the 4 and the 6 were released?
 
Many thanks to likesfish, BA and Belushi for the above posts. I tried writing a response but I was just too angry to do it properly. F&N I hope you've got the message and will post up some sort of apology.

Louis Mac
 
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