Just what the fuck was Jesus on about?

[1927]

Personally I find the idea of religion obscene and the idea that it should in any way influence my life as a non believer is even harder to stomach.I dont believe that religion should be used at all to justify laws, pub opening times etc.

Get real folks, Jesus did not exist, but if he did he was certainly not the product of a virgin birth, nor is he the son of god, cos god doesn't exist either. Religion was just a concept invented to give people some point in life, cos after all, if this is it, life is a bit shit really!

 

[gorski]

Myths give great comfort to the week and the meek... That's one of the points of dogmas, of course: a social etc. glue and a stabilising force.

Ancient Greeks already said that if animals had gods they'd look like goats, cows, horses, chickens and whatnot...

 

[boskysquelch]

Myths give great comfort to the week and the meek... That's one of the points of dogmas, of course: a social etc. glue and a stabilising force.

Ancient Greeks already said that if animals had gods they'd look like goats, cows, horses, chickens and whatnot...

nah that's not "Myth"

Jesus isn't "Myth"... he's a storyline...from which a Church_Religion_Cult_Politic construct has been created around ... Myth is added to and subtracted from through Time & Evolution.

Dogma is static by it very statement of purpose & intent.

 

[gorski]

A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds religious or spiritual significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and expresses systems of thought and values. Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth nor the falseness of the narrative. To the source culture, however, a myth by definition is "true," in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of questioning and making sense of the world.

Myth is a lot of what we "know" about and what happened around a certain Jesus of Nazareth... if he ever existed... [Myths also have a storyline, you know...]

What was built on those myths became and still is a dogma to way too many!

Anyone studying the Bible and the Catholic Church can see that much.

Try going against it and see: the present Pope was no.1 for it!

 

[boskysquelch]

fairdoes. nicely corrected.... I guess I lie believing in the latter(if not the very last) part of the quote you have provided.

 

[DotCommunist]

Myth is a lot of what we "know" about and what happened around a certain Jesus of Nazareth... if he ever existed... [Myths also have a storyline, you know...]

What was built on those myths became and still is a dogma to way too many!

Anyone studying the Bible and the Catholic Church can see that much.

Trying going against it and see: the present Pope was no.1 for it!

source myths are important-they show us how pre-science humanity explained the world and those explanations reveal how we really see ourselves. The greco-roman pantheons are especially relevant to us europeans as they show a grasping towards truth and meaning that the later christian hegemony absorbed and eradicated. If we look at how the pre-christian paganisms and the pre-christian pantheons were later aspected a into bad/good simplistic look at human mysticism we can see that that the ambiguity and usefulness of many god-concepts became the victims of stupid right/wrong christian philosophy in the early middle ages

 

[gorski]

Anyone read Robert Graves on Greek mythology?

 

[boskysquelch]

Anyone read Robert Graves on Greek mythology?

might have done...

but I know I've read Thomas Bullfinch's The Golden Age of Myth & Legend.

 

[EddyBlack]

There is a series currently running on channel 4 called the history of christianity. The first episode ran last week it, should be on the channel 4 iplayer. It touched on some of the anti-semitism thats followed in the wake of christianity. Shocking stuff.

I’m just catching up on this series now. The first program is a Jewish perspective, and firstly, as it points out Jesus was a Jew.

As the narrator describes, ‘Christianity was a message by Jews to jews‘, but he forgets to add that it was intended for gentiles as well.

There is no way that persecuting Jews is some way in line with what the book says.

The programme was full of phrases like:

‘abhorrence of Jews is sewn into the garments of christian faith’

Mixed in with a lot of criticism of christian beliefs as a whole which aren‘t particularly challenging, compared to say, what you might read in threads in this forum.

It is basically rubbish as far as I can see, doesn’t really have any interesting comments. I just don’t think it was a very good program, not particularly interesting or well spoken, just a collection of things like I have described.

 

[Santino]

Anyone read Robert Graves on Greek mythology?

Yes, and on Celtic myth.

A complete mentalist of course, but utterly absorbing. I would say that The White Goddess and Greek Myths are two of the greatest literary works of the 20th century.

 

[EddyBlack]

Graves' I Claudius and Claudius the God are great for understanding the period I think. The Greek myths is ok if your interested, its only a couple of hundred pages of various myths isn't it, a great work? You will have to fill me in there, you do mean Robert Graves?

 

[Santino]

Graves' I Claudius and Claudius the God are great for understanding the period I think. The Greek myths is ok if your interested, its only a couple of hundred pages of various myths isn't it, a great work? You will have to fill me in there, you do mean Robert Graves?

Yeah, old Bobby G. There are (at least) two versions of Greek Myths, one with just his re-telling of the stories, and the full version with his interpretation and analysis of the myths. His interpretations are, shall we say, not fully accepted by most other writers on myth.