bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
And he is inciting people to commit crimes like assault and rape. I don't see why we have to tolerate him over here.
Julien Blanc: UK 'denies visa to pick-up artist'
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've seen no one defending him. I've seen people attacking Theresa May and picking apart the hypocritical bullshit this decision is based on and what it means about how far we are prepared to just give away our own power, to shift responsibility for opposing this bullshit away from us and our communities onto the state.
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el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i'm being happily kneejerk, sorry. i'm a bit het up over an argument i'm having somewhere else at the moment! you can flick between windows but you can't flick between moods.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
the power has already been given away, butchers. but if we can manipulate them to act in the way we want them to do it saves a lot of work.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
el-ahrairah said it a lot better..... put it more succinctly.
Lets not forget, he's not banned from the country, he's been denied a working visa..... there's a massive difference. So i have to ask are you geuninely declaring that denying someone a visa to profiteer from providing instructions to men on how to inapropriately molest women is wrong and he should be allowed to continue unhindered?..... That is the long and short of it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We're not the ones doing the manipulating here.
And no, the power hasn't been given away - it exists in the networks of understanding and organisation protests against this types of things can help foster or uncover, the lessons that wider communities will take from the depth of opposition, from the understandings that witnessing or participating in such protests can open. All that is now gone because Therea May waved a magic wand and waved away both this creep and that potential.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
so here's my analysis of this thing.
either the govt have decided off of their own back to not let him in, which is unlikely, or they've done it because they think it'll win them support on some way (presumably based on petitions and shit). i think that as long as those o us who don't want this shit around break our side of the deal and don't give the governemtn any support then we can consider this a success. i hardly think anyone will be fooled if teresa may uses this to present herself as some sort of champion of women.
either the govt have decided off of their own back to not let him in, which is unlikely, or they've done it because they think it'll win them support on some way (presumably based on petitions and shit). i think that as long as those o us who don't want this shit around break our side of the deal and don't give the governemtn any support then we can consider this a success. i hardly think anyone will be fooled if teresa may uses this to present herself as some sort of champion of women.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He is banned from the country. That's exactly what an exclusion decision is and does.
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el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
alright, i see where you're coming from now butchers. it's a good arguement tbf. i don't think that it's a massively missed opportunity though, unless you're personally peeved at not being able to get a punch in yourself 
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i dunno though, you talk to more people than i do i guess, maybe it is a massively missed opportunity.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It is emphatically gesture politics - Blanc's company can still sell its nonsense over here, and there are at least three or four of their "seminars" apparently still taking place in the UK before the ones that Blanc was apparently scheduled to attend.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it is a cost free progressive veneered move for a gov in election territory but I still recon they were also following in the wake of aus and iirc japan, on a public order-don't-need-the-hassle worry.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
Its not what the petition order asked for, it asked for him to be denied a visa...... The home office has taken the decision to exclude.
However I still don't feel that it can be seen to be appropriate to accept rape culture in order to be seen to be rejecting government involvement on the basis you think some people might turn up and protest.
It just seems as a declaration of Rape Culture & Sexism > Politics as far as I'm concerned..... its probably one where we need to agree to disagree
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The petition is not the exclusion order. They are entirely different things. The exclusion order bars him from entry into this country.Its not what the petition order asked for, it asked for him to be denied a visa...... The home office has taken the decision to exclude.
However I still don't feel that it can be seen to be appropriate to accept rape culture in order to be seen to be rejecting government involvement on the basis you think some people might turn up and protest.
It just seems as a declaration of Rape Culture & Sexism > Politics as far as I'm concerned..... its probably one where we need to agree to disagree
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
The petition didn't ask for him to be barred from the country, it asked for him to be denied a visa.
I'll take kneejerky barring of someone who advocates this culture any day of the week though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It doesn't matter what the petition asked - it could ask to send him to the moon - what matters is the exclusion decision banning him from entering this country. You said he wasn't banned from the country.
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sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
Ok I made a mistake.
But that won't change my mind about thinking that tackling rape culture is less of an important issue than the need to register ones dissatisfaction with current government.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You've entirely missed the point. I haven't even mentioned registering dissatisfaction with the current govt, I've simply not been talking about any such thing. I've been talking about other ways of opposing the growth of this culture than via Theresa may.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
savoloysam
Standing on the edge of the Hoover Dam
Never heard of him until now.
Seems like a right twat, but now probably one with an ever growing popularity amongst his target audience.
Seems like a right twat, but now probably one with an ever growing popularity amongst his target audience.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
whilst this person is a cock end of the highest order i am a little uneasy about the government just unilaterally deciding to bar someone just like that.................
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all”.
- Noam Chomsky
Those cheering this exclusion are basing their glee on the fact that the banned person is someone we disagree with, someone with despicable views, someone whose words and deeds show him to be a misogynist and rape apologist. But who gets to make the decision on who to exclude and when? I am not at all comfortable with handing over to the state the right, without accountability, without discussion, to debar whoever they like from the country.
What if the Home Office were to say Norman Finkelstein was subject to an exclusion order? Or Noam Chomsky. Far-fetched? That's far too trusting a stance to take.
Remember that Pablo Neruda, the Chilean poet, supporter of Allende, and Spanish Civil War activist was refused entry to the UK. The singer and civil rights activist Paul Robeson was also denied entry to the UK in 1950 for a peace conference. (The US also revoked Robeson's passport for many years).
We can't trust the state only to exclude the people we disagree with. Are we really saying that Theresa May gets to decide what counts as acceptable opinions?
The idea of freedom for expression only for those with acceptable views is nonsense. It is no kind of freedom at all.
What are the foreseeable possible consequences for left-wingers, radicals, anarchists, environmentalists and so on of giving blind support to a policy of the government denying "bad people" entry to the country?
And what has been forestalled here is the ability of communities showing their opposition. Their freedom of expression has been denied.
Don't hand over to the state the right to say what's acceptable; keep that power yourselves.
- Noam Chomsky
Those cheering this exclusion are basing their glee on the fact that the banned person is someone we disagree with, someone with despicable views, someone whose words and deeds show him to be a misogynist and rape apologist. But who gets to make the decision on who to exclude and when? I am not at all comfortable with handing over to the state the right, without accountability, without discussion, to debar whoever they like from the country.
What if the Home Office were to say Norman Finkelstein was subject to an exclusion order? Or Noam Chomsky. Far-fetched? That's far too trusting a stance to take.
Remember that Pablo Neruda, the Chilean poet, supporter of Allende, and Spanish Civil War activist was refused entry to the UK. The singer and civil rights activist Paul Robeson was also denied entry to the UK in 1950 for a peace conference. (The US also revoked Robeson's passport for many years).
We can't trust the state only to exclude the people we disagree with. Are we really saying that Theresa May gets to decide what counts as acceptable opinions?
The idea of freedom for expression only for those with acceptable views is nonsense. It is no kind of freedom at all.
What are the foreseeable possible consequences for left-wingers, radicals, anarchists, environmentalists and so on of giving blind support to a policy of the government denying "bad people" entry to the country?
And what has been forestalled here is the ability of communities showing their opposition. Their freedom of expression has been denied.
Don't hand over to the state the right to say what's acceptable; keep that power yourselves.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
everyones least favourite jew hating 'comedian' Dieudonne was the last subject of one of these exclusions iirc.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The yanks won't let anyone in who's ever been caught smoking a spliff ...
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