"Juba" the Baghdad sniper..strikes again.

[bugsy7]

Bugsy7 the snipers that got killed appear to have been in a old fashioned vechicle ambush rather than any sort of sniper duel but since there were no survivors you have to go on what the insurgents posted up .

Well, versions differ, I agree. Fact is a half-dozen SHITH (SHot In The Head) kills don't really support the ambush line. But stranger things have happened.

MsG

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[bugsy7]

So we've got some geezer lying there in a ghillie suit with an Accuracy International rifle. And the point is?

MsG

 

[marshall]

So we've got some geezer lying there in a ghillie suit with an Accuracy International rifle. And the point is?

MsG

To prove you're a gun nut who knows his stuff?

 

[Pickman's model]

So we've got some geezer lying there in a ghillie suit with an Accuracy International rifle. And the point is?

MsG

point?

why do you think there's a point to everything i do? anyway, it seems to have achieved part of my objective already.

 

[bugsy7]

To prove you're a gun nut who knows his stuff?

Gun nut? Interesting choice of phrase.
I'm a British Army-trained weapons instructor who likes to keep abreast of developments in the field.
I'm also a picture restorer with a positive passion for the subject. Am I an "art nut"?
In addition, I speak five languages. Am I a "language nut"?

But even more important is the question: Who the fuck is Juba?

Answers on a postcard, please, to:

USMC Command
The Green Zone
Eye-rack

MsG

 

[Poi E]

Gun nut? Interesting choice of phrase.
I'm a British Army-trained weapons instructor who likes to keep abreast of developments in the field.

MsG

An interest in ways of killing people is a bit nutty.

 

[bugsy7]

An interest in ways of killing people is a bit nutty.

Hmmm. Joined Sept 2002, 5,335 posts since then. Ever thought of getting out a bit more?

I take it you don't know who Juba is then?

MsG

 

[El Jugador]

Hmmm. Joined Sept 2002, 5,335 posts since then. Ever thought of getting out a bit more?

I take it you don't know who Juba is then?

MsG

If you'd noticed anything about these boards then you'd realise that a mere 5,335 posts in three years shows remarkable reserve and more likely they're getting out quite frequently, in fact (so nuur)

Go on, tell us another calibre measurement, you artful-linguist you!

Anyway, do you suppose SHITA would mean "shot in the ass" then?

Oh and by the way Juba's the sniper - duh!

 

[bugsy7]

I know, guns don't kill people, bullets do!

and I'm a crack shot with a .45

By the way "Then E", this .45 calibre you're such a crack-shot with. Is that ACP? Long? AE? .455 Casull or what? Just out of curiosity.

MsG

 

[extra dry]

hey guys relax.....Duel at dawn, would fix this.

 

[Poi E]

By the way "Then E", this .45 calibre you're such a crack-shot with. Is that ACP? Long? AE? .455 Casull or what? Just out of curiosity.

MsG

Woah! Don't shoot! Nutter.

I wasn't being serious about the .45. I'm not interested in ways of punching holes in people. I have a passing interest in people that get obssessed with it, though. Usually a bit sensitive.

 

[bugsy7]

Woah! Don't shoot! Nutter.

I wasn't being serious about the .45. I'm not interested in ways of punching holes in people. I have a passing interest in people that get obssessed with it, though. Usually a bit sensitive.

I wasn't being particularly serious about it either. And anyway, it's an interest and not an obsession. Albeit an interest with some practical applications. For instance, when you meet the inevitable "ex-member of the SAS", who, upon questioning, turns out to know fuck-all either about guns or the army. Even more practical was an episode that happened to me a couple of months ago.
I was stopped late one evening by some gonzo jumping out of a shop doorway pointing a gun at me. The street was well-lit but deserted. His stance was a bit Hollywoodish but OK, but he was holding a Desert Eagle. Now this is a huge pistol produced in .357 Mag, .44 Mag and .50 AE. I happen to own one in .44 Mag (it's in Switzerland). The weapon weighs over four pounds with mag and the way this geezer was holding it, plus the tiny size of the muzzle, told me it was a toy. So I stepped in, grabbed the gun and slugged him in the gob. Result? Maybe he'll think twice about holding people up and my valuables were still intact.
Ideally, there should be no weapons at all in world. But that's a bit utopian and won't prevent you getting shot. It's best to know what you might come up against.

I take it you still don't know who Juba is?

MsG

 

[Poi E]

Cheers, I guess I was being a bit of an arse. I only know about Juba from this thread.

 

[cemertyone]

I wasn't being particularly serious about it either. And anyway, it's an interest and not an obsession. Albeit an interest with some practical applications. For instance, when you meet the inevitable "ex-member of the SAS", who, upon questioning, turns out to know fuck-all either about guns or the army. Even more practical was an episode that happened to me a couple of months ago.
I was stopped late one evening by some gonzo jumping out of a shop doorway pointing a gun at me. The street was well-lit but deserted. His stance was a bit Hollywoodish but OK, but he was holding a Desert Eagle. Now this is a huge pistol produced in .357 Mag, .44 Mag and .50 AE. I happen to own one in .44 Mag (it's in Switzerland). The weapon weighs over four pounds with mag and the way this geezer was holding it, plus the tiny size of the muzzle, told me it was a toy. So I stepped in, grabbed the gun and slugged him in the gob. Result? Maybe he'll think twice about holding people up and my valuables were still intact.
Ideally, there should be no weapons at all in world. But that's a bit utopian and won't prevent you getting shot. It's best to know what you might come up against.

I take it you still don't know who Juba is?

MsG

Well done i LOVE>>>LOVE people who beat muggers up!!!!!! top fucking marks to dude............

 

[oi2002]

...The weapon weighs over four pounds with mag and the way this geezer was holding it, plus the tiny size of the muzzle, told me it was a toy. So I stepped in, grabbed the gun and slugged him in the gob...

As I keep telling pbman hanguns are for faggots.

It's surprising Juba is using 7.62 x 39 hardball. My old AKM shoots dinner plate sized groups at 100m from the bench; it's not a snipers weapon. Out of the box an SVD is 2 MOA weapon (not great) a 90s AK-47 is not likely to be better than 4 MOA. From the reports Juba is shooting into gaps in armor. I'm guessing 10cm diameter target at 200M. Unless Allah has put an angel on his shoulder whatever he's shooting is probably accurate to sub 2 MOA.

I had a mate who was Cuban trained Angolan quartermaster who claimed he could get late model RPK-47's down to 1 MOA. Chicken sacrifice was said to be involved.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I have to say that I think "Juba" is most likely a paranoid invention of the yanks there. 7.62x39 is not a sniper round, as oi2002 says; even an amateur like me knows that. I would suspect far more that a few people have had their bits blown off in the same area and a legend has started.

 

[bugsy7]

As I keep telling pbman hanguns are for faggots.

It's surprising Juba is using 7.62 x 39 hardball. My old AKM shoots dinner plate sized groups at 100m from the bench; it's not a snipers weapon. Out of the box an SVD is 2 MOA weapon (not great) a 90s AK-47 is not likely to be better than 4 MOA. From the reports Juba is shooting into gaps in armor. I'm guessing 10cm diameter target at 200M. Unless Allah has put an angel on his shoulder whatever he's shooting is probably accurate to sub 2 MOA.

I had a mate who was Cuban trained Angolan quartermaster who claimed he could get late model RPK-47's down to 1 MOA. Chicken sacrifice was said to be involved.

I agree in principle. I've used an AK47 myself quite a lot and it's certainly vastly inferior to my favourite boom-boom the SLR. However, I've seen Mujahedin in Afghanistan consistantly achieve amazingly tight groupings both with AK47s and AK74s at distances out to 500 metres. Apparently, this "Juba" uses a "Tabuk" rifle, which was wrongly spelled as "Tobuk" in some reports. Have a shuftie at the link below and see what you think.

http://www.dragunov.net/iraq_tabuk.htm

Given the extra length of the barrel and taking into consideration that the sniper could well be reloading him (or her) self. I don't think that the stories are all too far-fetched, although I personally wouldn't want to go much beyond 300 metres with the thing unless I was a marksman of uncanny ability. Which maybe "Juba" is.
I know the Septics are supposed to be our allies and all that, but I still hope "Juba" gives them more of a hard time.

MsG

 

[bugsy7]

Carrying on from my last post: I've also had a cabby with a Dragunov (but with a Schmidt & Bender 'scope). I regularly achieved 2 MOA at 500 metres with reloaded ammo. It's a really nice weapon and the kick is about the same as a 30.06.

MsG

 

[Andy the Don]

Carrying on from my last post: I've also had a cabby with a Dragunov (but with a Schmidt & Bender 'scope). I regularly achieved 2 MOA at 500 metres with reloaded ammo. It's a really nice weapon and the kick is about the same as a 30.06.

MsG

Serves him right for not taking you south of the river..

 

[likesfish]

there must be loads of iraqis who can shoot they had a huge army 1st gulf war
2nd gulf war etc etc.
although it is quite rare to meet arabs who can resist using an ak on fully automatic thats probably where the JUba myth has come from.
shooting people from up to 300m is hardly rocket science

 

[bugsy7]

shooting people from up to 300m is hardly rocket science

True, but it is quite a science for all that. And it would appear you don't know very much about it to make such a statement.
Shooting people is only one part of it. The REAL trick is to top them and stay undetected so that you live to top more another day. Juba's very good at that and more power to his elbow (or trigger finger).

MsG

 

[Poi E]

Hey ed/mods, think we need a guns, guts and glory forum.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Hey ed/mods, think we need a guns, guts and glory forum.

I think that idea is a non starter. If we were to mention that you shoot better when you're just over the legal limit to drive then it might improve the chances...

(Study done in controled target shooting situation)

 

[likesfish]

Urban enviroment one shot then scoot not exactly needing a lot of skill
discipline yes not to hang around.

 

[bugsy7]

Urban enviroment one shot then scoot not exactly needing a lot of skill
discipline yes not to hang around.

Which confirms the suspicion that you know absolutely jack-shite about the subject.
Hot tip: in any future wars, DON'T volunteer as a sniper.

MsG

 

[poet]

I had a mate who was Cuban trained Angolan quartermaster who claimed he could get late model RPK-47's down to 1 MOA. Chicken sacrifice was said to be involved.

Things you don't hear very often...

Anyway, welcome aboard bugsy, nice to see new blood on urban that doesn't have some irrational phobia of guns.

 

[Poi E]

irrational phobia of guns.

It's not an irrational phobia. It's just that a fair few of us around here think that taking a great interest in things that are designed to kill and maim is a little, er, odd. Each to their own.

 

[oi2002]

...this "Juba" uses a "Tabuk" rifle, which was wrongly spelled as "Tobuk" in some reports. Have a shuftie at the link below and see what you think...

It's the tinny receiver on the AKM that limits the accuracy the old 60s AKs were better. That Tabuk looks much more solid. Googling arround I get 2.6 MOA figures it; that's getting into the right ballpark.

 

[bugsy7]

It's not an irrational phobia. It's just that a fair few of us around here think that taking a great interest in things that are designed to kill and maim is a little, er, odd. Each to their own.

Irrational? Odd? I can see your point of view, but wishful thinking won't stop you getting shot. It pays, then, to be aware of what's out there and could harm you. Don't forget that in 1934, nobody would have envisaged having to fight a world war just five years later. And in 2002, who in Iraq would have though they'd be in the position they are today? Things can change with frightening suddeness. It's best to be prepared.
I agree that guns are designed to kill and maim, but how much of a comfort will it be when you, after having been chopped down by a flurry of bullets, whisper with your dying breath that you never had any interest in them anyway? It's best to prepare for the likely and unlikely.
Just turning your back on it won't make guns go away. I've already stated on this thread that, ideally, there should be no weapons at all in the world, but ignoring them is a recipe for disaster. We're in the real world now.

MsG