JSA and going on holiday??

[likesfish]

you can fill a holiday form no real drama did it yesterday and have to sign on the day I get back .
what you can't do is swan off and expect them to keep signing you when you can't be arrsed to go to the office.

 

[jæd]

I AM legally entitled to holiday time when signing on so I couldn't care less what standard of treatment you wish on me because your job is lame..

Well if you have a legal right to holiday time on the JSA then go and talk to those people at the job center. I'm sure that if you have a legal right to something they will give it to you.

Btw, how can you fund a holiday away somewhere while you don't have a job...? I would have thought if you had no job then you would not have enough money to go away...? After all, why else would you bother with the JSA if you weren't skint...?

Or perhaps you *do* have a job and want to continue committing benefit fraud while you toddle off on holiday...

 

[Thora_v1]

Btw, how can you fund a holiday away somewhere while you don't have a job...? I would have thought if you had no job then you would not have enough money to go away...? After all, why else would you bother with the JSA if you weren't skint...?

Or perhaps you *do* have a job and want to continue committing benefit fraud while you toddle off on holiday...

Yeah, of course - all dolescum are out to defraud the good, tax-paying public. Mikey's probably one of those undeserving poor I've been hearing about in the Daily Mail. Send him to the workhouse!

tbh, I'd rather tax money kept Mikey in the princely sum of £50 a week than the immoral crap most of it's actually spent on.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Well if you have a legal right to holiday time on the JSA then go and talk to those people at the job center. I'm sure that if you have a legal right to something they will give it to you.

Btw, how can you fund a holiday away somewhere while you don't have a job...? I would have thought if you had no job then you would not have enough money to go away...? After all, why else would you bother with the JSA if you weren't skint...?

Or perhaps you *do* have a job and want to continue committing benefit fraud while you toddle off on holiday...

Wtf?

How do you know he doesn't have savings from his last job?
Or that he hasn't managed to save a few quid a week out of his jsa (£45 isn't much more dreadful than £50 after all )?



Oh and btw, a legal entitlement to anything from the dwp, doesn't mean you won't get enormous amounts of grief trying to claim it (unfortunately a fair portion of - although thankfully, not all - benefits advisors have the same attitude as you) or indeed that the advisors you see will actually have any idea that it IS a legal entitlement in the first place.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Frankly if someone saves up a couple of quid a week for years out of their JSA and want to go on holiday and can afford to go its nothing short of a miracle.If theres a legit way to apply for it then go ahead and bloody do it, if youre fucking the system though I do think you should get a hard time for it, if you arent you should be entitled to help support and respect

 

[sheothebudworths]

....whereas I think that it's a bloody miracle that anyone (single people in particular - we claim as a family and I can save so long as I budget very carefully - are you doubting that?) can live off jsa without fucking the system.

 

[sheothebudworths]

I was going to say......'but that's another thread', but I think that's exactly what's going on here. The idea seems to be that whatever their circumstances, unemployed people should be too poor to do anything other than scrape by.

 

[milesy]

if people on JSA can afford to save enough to go on holiday they should have their allowance reduced by the amount they've been saving from each payment.

and if they spend any of their allowance on fags or booze then it should be reduced by the amount they spend on fags and booze, cos they obviously don't need that money.

scroungers

 

[jæd]

Wtf?
How do you know he doesn't have savings from his last job?
Or that he hasn't managed to save a few quid a week out of his jsa (£45 isn't much more dreadful than £50 after all )?

Perhaps he does have savings, but when I've been unemployed I've used those savings to live on. And if he can afford to go on holiday he shouldn't expect to be paid for it.

 

[Thora_v1]

Perhaps he does have savings, but when I've been unemployed I'v used those savings to live on. But if he can afford to go on holiday he shouldn't expect to be paid for it.

I've just got back from Greece while signing on. Very enjoyable it was too

 

[sheothebudworths]

if people on JSA can afford to save enough to go on holiday they should have their allowance reduced by the amount they've been saving from each payment.

and if they spend any of their allowance on fags or booze then it should be reduced by the amount they spend on fags and booze, cos they obviously don't need that money.

scroungers

....and shoes milesy - you forgot the shoes - people on jsa, should not be able to afford to wear shoes.

 

[JTG]

I signed on most of this summer and had a holiday in Italy which I had to sign off for. I'd already paid for it out of money I earned while I was working and don't see why just 'cos I'm unemployed I should live like a pauper if I can at all help it.

This attitude that the unemployed shouldn't be entitled to life's pleasures is mean and small minded imho.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Take off the shoes JTG!!!

 

[JTG]

Take off the shoes JTG!!!

It's OK, I have a job now

 

[sheothebudworths]

Ok. You can keep them then.

 

[milesy]

i remember a thread years ago in which someone was outraged that someone they'd seen signing on was wearing armani sunglasses. how dare they!!

 

[sheothebudworths]

How ve-rrry dare they!!!

 

[mentalchik]

Not that it matters but if you read the original post he is'nt actully going on holiday just wants some time off from signing on ?

 

[Mikey77]

hahahahahahaha
and could I just add hahahahahahahaha

Get over yourself and get that sack of spuds off your shoulder, go back and read what you actually posted further up this thread about not being happy with the conditions of your JSA and how people who administer it were treating you and how you intended to maybe do something, maybe do nothing and hope well... they just didnt do you for it and you could still have your money. Then wander over to the other thread on this forum about someone asking how to claim incapacity becuase they dont like the way they are being treated and want to get round the rules ( much as you do) and see if you can't see the comparisons between the two situations.

You're a first class twat. I knew well when you first posted in this thread that you had read the incapacity thread started by someone else and thought you'd jump on the bandwagon of having a go at what you perceive to be those who are milking the system. First of all the person in that thread is openly admitting to wanting to commit benefit fraud which I have never done. I on the other hand have applied for many jobs and have shown proof of most of the jobs I have applied for.

That says to me youve given me some evidence of how little youve stuck to what youve been asked to do

No, it doesn't. You'll have to accept at some point that you don't know me. You don't know my situation and are basing your prejudice on a lot of assumptions. If there was any proof for the nonsense you are talking I'm sure they would have cut me off of benefits already.

I believe JSA claimants should be allowed time to go away

Hmm, but that doesn't really tally with your statement earlier. "Why on eath should you be allowed to take off on your holidays and get paid the money at the same time when you are paid it to find work and be available for work."

That sounds like a general gripe about holiday time for JSA claimants to me. Again, if I felt ill and then wanted to take holiday time that I am entitled to it's MY RIGHT. Get it through your brain. I'll say it one more time if you want to make some accusations get some evidence.

You only posted in this thread because you got excited about the incapacity fraud thread. There was never any evidence in my original post to support the shit you are talking so just shut it. Incidentally I have mental health issues going back 12 years. If I wanted to "play the system" I could have applied for incapacity benefit a long time ago, but that isn't what I want. If you want someone to have a rant at go to the incapacity fraudster thread and do it to your heart's content, you twat.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Yawn.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

....whereas I think that it's a bloody miracle that anyone (single people in particular - we claim as a family and I can save so long as I budget very carefully - are you doubting that?) can live off jsa without fucking the system.

Ive done it without fucking the system, it wasnt enough so I played the system until I got enough training to get myself into a job and yes I had a holiday while we were on benefit- a weekend at a caravan park thanks to a voucher offer in the paper. Im not saying its not hard- its a fucking nightmare but fucking the system wont solve anything. If you want to sort it out you can use them to get what you want out of them. If you play the game you can get what you want out- as someone said earlier but was ignored in amongst the 'I want to screw the system and why shouldnt I type grabage'

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Not that it matters but if you read the original post he is'nt actully going on holiday just wants some time off from signing on ?

Hes tried to say is that he took a signing session off becuase he didnt feel up to going to sign, as a result the employment agency he was signing on at have said on yer bike matey and said they are refering him back to the job centre, now he wants to take a couple of weeks off somewhere and didnt want to go to the jobcentre to ask further about being referred back so he just wasnt going to phone them becuase they should phone him ( or should they?) and was hoping that if he didnt contact them they would just leave him alone and he could get himself sorted with his money when he comes back

 

[Mikey77]

Ive done it without fucking the system, it wasnt enough so I played the system until I got enough training to get myself into a job and yes I had a holiday while we were on benefit- a weekend at a caravan park thanks to a voucher offer in the paper. Im not saying its not hard- its a fucking nightmare but fucking the system wont solve anything. If you want to sort it out you can use them to get what you want out of them. If you play the game you can get what you want out- as someone said earlier but was ignored in amongst the 'I want to screw the system and why shouldnt I type grabage'

So how am I "fucking the system" any more that you were? I've applied for jobs, signed on, applied for training and work placements and as of yet haven't even taken holiday time. You're a fucking hypocrite, you bitter person.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

I wasnt replying to you, I was replying to sheo.
It was the rest of it I object to but you dont seem to be hearing that do you?
I couldnt be bothered to sign becuase I wasnt feeling up to it and then do i ring them? no they shuld phone me.. dont want to follow the system but hey the rest of it should be there for me and people should chase me round if they are 'refering me back' but I dont want to do whats required, I just want the money that ok though isnt it?

Ive said all the way through I have no objections at all to people taking a holiday on JSA so No Im no hypocrite. I have an objection to people thinking they dont have to do whats required( ie signing on and going to the jobcentre to fill in a holiday form- as yet another poster whos on JSA told you) and still getting the dosh just as you asked in the first few posts you made on this thread

 

[sheothebudworths]

Ive done it without fucking the system

So have I.

...in amongst the 'I want to screw the system and why shouldnt I type grabage'

Who said that?

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Its the message Mikey is giving- he couldnt be arsed to go and sign on becuase he didnt feel up to it, doesnt want to go and fill in the forms to ask for a holiday, and find out what he's allowed to do he just wants his cheque without bother when he gets back ( although suddenly he seems to have discovered he had a legal right to go on holiday- amazing eh? ) Hell he doesnt even think he should have to contact the dole office at all- if hes been referred back to them they should ring him!And after all their being really awful to him for not doing what theyve asked
Anything else he's like someone to do for him too?

 

[sheothebudworths]

Ive said all the way through I have no objections at all to people taking a holiday on JSA so No Im no hypocrite.

Why on eath should you be allowed to take off on your holidays and get paid the money at the same time when you are paid it to find work and be available for work.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Becuase he doesnt want to do the sigining on- going and filling in the forms- he said he didnt want to phone them! THATS the context I was referring to- HIM in particular given what hes said. It was also in a longer post about HIM not about anyone else

 

[rocketman]

Moralising drivel

Look: Fact is that the employment/business model in all Western countries demands a certain level of unemployment, it's called surplus labour, and it exists because business requires a workforce.

There is no full employment model capitalism.

Homelessness and unemployment also provide a goading stick that keeps people working.

The idea that all unemployed people are scroungers is, therefore, quite ridiculous. There's people all the way up the ladder that profit from the so-called "black economy" in some way. That's clearly an obvious thing, right?

So stop prosecuting this poor guy who is so sick of it all he just wants to pack his bags and run away. You want to help? Well, don't feed him a bunch of Daily mail-like moralizing, holier-than-thou cra*, that just shows what a smug person you are.

I remember just a few years ago when people here used to actively support each other.

I remember the eighties when the area I was from (North West) was literally a labour black hole, and none of us had jobs - and not for lack of trying.

And as for the "job opportunties" provided by the JSA business, that's a pile of steaming... as well. Job opportunity: security guard at someplace, must work nights, minimum wage, no holiday pay.

Most of this thread is full of knee-jerk claptrap that reflects just how far the ideas of the right wing have been unquestionably accepted by a docile public.

Is there anything wrong with still suggesting that accomodation, food, education, and opportunity are basic human needs that after several thousand years of human endeavour we should at least be ensuring is available to everyone? Or have we failed?

I don't know about JSA any more. Sorry. But I do recommend using the time on it positively in order to explore some of your own personal obsessions, as you will one day be in work and will look back at that free time and regret wasting it. But it works. The work I have now is directly related to a path I set myself on 15 years ago when I was jobless. Now that path makes me a living. I left home with twenty quid in my pocket, and slept rough in London, so I really do know what it's like to have nothing.

Any of you tried to force yourself to stay awake when tired and cold with nowehere to go on some scrap ground in a snowstorm, because you knew it was so cold you may get frost bite or worse if you sleep? I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has endured through something like that.

And I'd rather my considerable taxes (yes, I am lucky now, but it was not always that way. Luck in my life is a very recent development) went to help people who had nothing than to fund wars against people who have less than nothing.

And don't forget - you have more chance of losing your job tomorrow than of winning the National Lottery.

In other words, it could be you.

 

[Mikey77]

Becuase he doesnt want to do the sigining on- going and filling in the forms- he said he didnt want to phone them! THATS the context I was referring to- HIM in particular given what hes said. It was also in a longer post about HIM not about anyone else

You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. Your objection as you stated was to me being able to:

take off on your holidays and get paid the money at the same time when you are paid it to find work and be available for work.

Now that objection to holiday entitlement is applicable to anyone who is claiming JSA just as it would have been to you when you were claiming. You're a hypocrite I would like to think you're just explaining yourself badly, but this really seems to be the pot calling the kettle black.