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As said on another thread, I saw Joy Division in April-80 at the Rainbow supporting The Stranglers. Ian Curtis had a fit on stage & most people thought it was part of the act. Always liked them (but not that much.) I think it was maybe their last London gig but could be wrong cos I never really followed them that much. After its * release I fucking hated blue Monday. :D
Joy Division were a big part of my youth. I didn't get Blue Monday or New Order at all.
 
The second side of Closer is one of the most original poignant and reflective set of songs that I've ever heard , delivered in superbly produced almost ethereal mix.
 
Voley - Closer is nothing like as good as Unknown Pleasures - for me it is a poor second album, rushed out before the band had really had time to come up with a second album's worth of really good material. Sorry.

Other way round for me. I rarely listen to Unknown Pleasures all the way through. After the astonishing 'Disorder' you've pretty much got the idea and the relentless echo starts to dull the impact of the songs. Closer is just gut-wrenching from start to finish. There's nothing on it you can ignore.
 
There are some flaws in this, and there are is some very familiar ground re-treaded. But I also think it’s makes some important points about UP and Closer:


I listened to JD retrospectively, having got into NO in my youth and attending loads of their gigs.

I’ve come to think of the two albums as making sense of the external/internal crises of the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. UP makes sense to me as a soundscape to the collapse of working class towns and cities as the post war corporatist approach was abandoned, unemployment rocketed and abandonment and ruin were everywhere. It sounded like where you lived looked. I used to listen to it on the bus travelling through the broken places of the West Midlands. It was like a soundtrack

Closer dealt with the resulting individual crises. I’ve always thought Mark Fisher captured JD better than anyone else (from my perspective). He said something like ‘If the truth of Joy Division is that they are just lads, then the truth of laddism is Joy Division’ - depression, disorientation, sadness and loss of hope.

I went to a lot of NO gigs when I was in my late teens and early 20’s and their gigs were always a mix of the usual indie types but they also had a significant football casual following.

Its a pity Mark Fisher didn’t write even more extensively about them. Because their hauntalogical music and lyrics spoke to, and reflected, the particular lived experience of working class youth in the towns and cities.

In the deserved nostalgia and legacy accounts of the band this is often overlooked/forgotten
 
All Joy Division songs ranked!

(Alex Petridis in Friday's Guardian, but the printed edition only had the top ten!)

Interesting read (and potential re-listen!) anyway :)
Only one of my favourites in the top ten (isolation). Anyway my favourite album is still, which is mostly outtakes right? So I am probably not the one to ask.

Exercise One, These Days, The only Misake, the leaders of men, Ice age. All rank pretty low, but are my favourites.
 
Digital and She’s Lost Control were my two favourite tracks. The best two live songs I saw them do as well. Sheffield Top Rank, was very impressed by Stephen Morris’ drumming.
 
Talking favourites:

Wilderness
Sound of Music
Isolation
No Love Lost

Read Stephen Morris's book last year and found it quite insightful, with a few good laughs and a decent list of his favourite tunes.
 
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