Joy Division

[Annierak]

Stunning band. One of my biggest disappointments is not being born a few years earlier so i could experience them live. Favorite tracks "Transmission" and "Shadowplay"

I love you Ian

 

[sojourner]

I love you Ian

he can't hear you

 

[Annierak]

he can't hear you

He can. His spirit is here

 

[sojourner]

He can. His spirit is here

on these boards? *looks around*

 

[pinkmonkey]

I just read in Drapers Record that there is a Peter Hook Kickers boot coming out next year. Big rolleyes for that one. Has his mortgage payments gone up alot then?

 

[albionism]

Has Ian Curtis' memorial stone been recovered yet?

 

[Annierak]

on these boards? *looks around*

no, in my living room . In fact must put them on now, i'm in the mood for some "Shadowplay"

 

[Annierak]

Has Ian Curtis' memorial stone been recovered yet?

Not heard any more about that so no idea

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Very good:

My favourite:

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Annierak]

A word to the females. Don't listen to "Atmosphere" when due on

 

[Voley]

A word to the females. Don't listen to "Atmosphere" when due on

Your probably better off with the Russ Abbott version.

Actually, I haven't thought this through, have I ?

 

[Voley]

The live footage was...well, it was electric. I left the place stunned into silence, and a newly converted JD fan

Yeah, I've always thought they were better sounding live than on record. The records always sound a bit watered down somehow. Martin Hannett's fault, in all likelihood, although I quite like all the spooky effects he added to 'Unknown Pleasures'.

If you want to hear raw Joy Division I recommend you track down the Amsterdam Paradiso 1980 bootleg (aka 'Gruftsgesaenge' ). It takes a bit to get going (and some of it's genuinely shit) but contains *the best ever* versions of 'Day Of The Lords' and 'New Dawn Fades'. Professionally recorded (by Martin Hannett, supposedly) but this time the guitar's right up front in the mix.

The audience are either stunned into silence or totally apathetic depending on your point of view. Probably the latter.

 

[Blagsta]

Were absolutely fucking brilliant.

That is all.

Yep.

One of my fave bands ever. Have been since I discovered them when I was 15.

 

[Annierak]

Your probably better off with the Russ Abbott version.

Actually, I haven't thought this through, have I ?

I always think of Russ Abbott's version when i hear it, thats what depresses me

 

[chazegee]

Yeah, I've always thought they were better sounding live than on record.

Yep, I also though that the bloke that played him in Control, did a better job than the real thing live, obviously he had something to work on though.

 

[Blagsta]

If you want to hear raw Joy Division I recommend you track down the Amsterdam Paradiso 1980 bootleg (aka 'Gruftsgesaenge' ). It takes a bit to get going (and some of it's genuinely shit) but contains *the best ever* versions of 'Day Of The Lords' and 'New Dawn Fades'. Professionally recorded (by Martin Hannett, supposedly) but this time the guitar's right up front in the mix.

The audience are either stunned into silence or totally apathetic depending on your point of view. Probably the latter.

Fuck, I used to have that when I was 18. Very I lent it to someone called Martin and never got it back. Bastard.

 

[Voley]

Available on Soulseek. Well I got it off there a few months back.

It had a 'semi-official' release once so there's plenty of copies knocking about.

'Someone called Martin', eh? Martin's always cock things up for everyone, ime. The one that recorded this gig missed half of the first song for a start.

 

[ouchmonkey]

I've been listening to them a lot recently since I saw the documentary (v good, btw, better than 'Control') and I keep getting stupidly excited about Bernard Sumner's guitar style....

It's too easy with JD to concentrate on 'what happened to Ian' which is a shame, I think. They wrote some great rock songs.

listening to them today in the car and thinking something similar, he never really gets enough credit for his guitar playing Barney. Not in the press anyway, there's plenty of shonky bands who try and rip off his stuff.

 

[Griff]

Sold my 'Ideal for Living' EP to pay a speeding fine in 1985.

 

[Voley]

Fuck, I used to have that when I was 18. Very I lent it to someone called Martin and never got it back. Bastard.

Tell you what. As it's yer birthday, PM me your address.

 

[pk]

Sold my 'Ideal for Living' EP to pay a speeding fine in 1985.

Probably their finest work, all that Warsaw stuff, IMO.

 

[CNT36]

Who?

The next big thing I hear.

 

[audiotech]

Joy Division Special

 

[Griff]

Well I saw the documentary last night on the big screen and it left the audience stunned really.

One question though, hopefully someone will know.

What was that Northern Soul cover that was played over footage of those blokes dancing in a Wigan Casino kinda way? It was brilliant.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Were absolutely fucking brilliant.

That is all.

When I first heard Joy Division, I wondered: 'how long till this guy kills himself?' Seems like life was pretty shitty for him.


'....she's lost control again......

What a concept.

 

[Voley]

What was that Northern Soul cover that was played over footage of those blokes dancing in a Wigan Casino kinda way? It was brilliant.

I think it's this:

 

[Griff]

I think it's this:

Cheers! I'll have a listen when I get home.

 

[albionism]

Listening to Unknown Pleasures as i write....Fucking fantastic. Depressing? Nonsense! Bloody uplifting. Love it now as i loved it when i first heard it as a 14 year old. Even more so.

 

[Dr. Furface]

The only criticism of it I'd have is that they've tried to make it 'the story of Manchester' too, which it plainly isn't. And I'm not sure why Curtis' widow wasn't involved. Maybe she had more to with 'Control', perhaps? Apart from that, though, a really good film. Worth seeing for the live version of 'Transmission' if nothing else.

As someone else pointed out, Control was based on Deborah Curtis's book, but Control was a fictional movie based on real events, and JD and Tony Wilson et al were involved to some degree with it - so that can't be the real or only reason that she had nothing to do with the documentary. I think it was more to do with the fact that the doc features an interview with Ian's Belgian girlfriend Annik Honore, and Deborah probably didn't want to appear even on the same piece of celluloid as her. Of course, I could be wrong - maybe they didn't even ask her, but that's what I reckon.

In fact, the Annik interview was a real jaw-dropper, just for her being in it. I am - or at least, was - a bit of a JD anorak, and I've never even seen a photo of her before (and nor has anyone I know, including some JD obsessives). She basically disappeared after Ian died and so I was amazed they'd got her in the film - that was a real coup.

Apart from that there was some good footage of the band I'd never seen, and I'd never heard Hooky's story before about when Curtis tried to get a free book out of William Burroughs one night. That had me pissing myself - fucking well funny! And as much as anything it showed what a bunch of ordinary kids they were - they just happened to make extraordinary music.

 

[Voley]

I think it was more to do with the fact that the doc features an interview with Ian's Belgian girlfriend Annik Honore, and Deborah probably didn't want to appear even on the same piece of celluloid as her. Of course, I could be wrong - maybe they didn't even ask her, but that's what I reckon.

That sounds about right to me, too.