Joining Labour or Lib Dems

[Streathamite]

I'd say an activist is one who is 'active' in pursuit of the party's programme, and in keeping the local party functioning, rather than one who just pays subs, and will - possibly - occasionally vote in party elections

 

[articul8]

i would never join a party and give money to a party that gives me [...low pay, expensive housing, lack of sports facilities, poverty, war, [...]

so you wouldn't have joined the Labour party of the 70's and 80's then, even as an entrist

 

[Azrael23]

Theres no reason we shouldn`t all join the Lib Dems and try to effect change from within.

I would like to see political parties abolished one day though. As george washington said, political parties are baneful to freedom.

 

[In Bloom]

Party activists are more than just normal party members. They are the members who are particularly active - ie they are a subset of members.

Thank you for repeating what I just responded to, it's really, really helpful and a fantastic debating technique

My point was that just because the OP wants to join a political party, doesn't mean that "activism" is necessarily their intention.

 

[audiotech]

Preparing for Powerlessness

Theres no reason we shouldn`t all join the Lib Dems and try to effect change from within.

BHAWHAHA!

<reaches for bottle of whiskey - cheers charlie>

 

[Azrael23]

BHAWHAHA!

<reaches for bottle of whiskey - cheers charlie>

Well lack of participation in the parliamentary system is why we are in this mess in the first place.

We could have reformed money creation in the 1900`s in lieu of the increased awareness brought about by fight to introduce the federal reserve in the USA.

Did we? No, and to this day we continue to trade debts with eachother wondering why power both economically and politically is continually centralised.

The reason we have this is because we`d all much rather reach for the bottle of whiskey.

Cheers norris

Not all people in political parties are evil corrupt social vampires!

There are a lot of good people out there just trying to do what they think is right, they are ignorant and their ignorance is not only manufactured but harvested.
Communication with people already in a position to gain platforms is only a good thing.

 

[shagnasty]

i left the labour party just as nu labour was starting .i must consider myself a former activist being ward treasury a member of the general committie and executive committie aswell as being on the streets with our prospective mp and ward election organiser in 87

 

[audiotech]

Well lack of participation in the parliamentary system is why we are in this mess in the first place.

We could have reformed money creation in the 1900`s in lieu of the increased awareness brought about by fight to introduce the federal reserve in the USA.

Did we? No, and to this day we continue to trade debts with eachother wondering why power both economically and politically is continually centralised.

The reason we have this is because we`d all much rather reach for the bottle of whiskey.

Cheers norris

Not all people in political parties are evil corrupt social vampires!

There are a lot of good people out there just trying to do what they think is right, they are ignorant and their ignorance is not only manufactured but harvested.
Communication with people already in a position to gain platforms is only a good thing.

Eh?

Some people are under the illusion that they can change things from within. The problem is it usually changes them.

It may have escaped your notice that the executive is all powerful in the British Parliamentary system, with the Prime Minister of the day holding tightly to the reigns of power and having ultimate control on decision making.

This ultimate power is only threatened from external forces.

Btw who is this "we"?

<pour me a large one>

 

[tollbar]

I left the Labour party just after the 97 elections when it became quite obvious which way the wind was blowing. If you want to join a party where the only real chance of influencing party policy is by attending policy forums where the results have been already determined, or where participation is measured by how many leaflets you can hand out at election time, then Nulab is the party for you.

I am surprised the usual suspects are not lining up to pursuade the OP to join Wespect

 

[TremulousTetra]

I left the Labour party just after the 97 elections when it became quite obvious which way the wind was blowing. If you want to join a party where the only real chance of influencing party policy is by attending policy forums where the results have been already determined, or where participation is measured by how many leaflets you can hand out at election time, then Nulab is the party for you.

I am surprised the usual suspects are not lining up to pursuade the OP to join Wespect

I'm surprised you haven't joined Respect.

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