joined facebook and shat myself

[campanula]

I deleted my account (thanks to info on here) within the first couple of days of joining. Breathed a massive sigh of relief.
I know it's not strictly Facebook, but I live just opposite a little park where kids and parents gather after school. Just about all the parents sit on benches, absolutely fucking glued to their phones while kids are busy beheading narcissus, emptying the bins or just trying to get some adult attention. I find this desperately sad, weird and dysfunctional. I have seen my own daughter doing the exact same thing (felt like knocking the phone out of her bloody hands).
I fucking hate them (faceless, bureaucratic data-harvesting swine). Despite being backward with mobile phones, I have never been a Luddite but I am honestly beginning to fantasise about a peaceful life in the woods away from all digital shit).

 

[mauvais]

Do you listen to Fighting Talk on 5-live? They're forever pointing people towards their Facebook page in order to interact with the show.

No I don't. The point would only stand up if the only obvious route to interacting with the show was via FB, and I suspect that's not the case. If you feel it is the case, you should complain, and I would imagine it'll be taken seriously.

Ultimately they have to be on FB because it's where the public is, and they have a public service remit, in particular to better engage with demographics where they lack proportional engagement. However it certainly shouldn't be the only way.

Personally I cannot foresee any point at which - like many sites do now - your FB identity is the or even a key to accessing actual BBC services, e.g. sign-in or any of the rest of it. It would have so many problems it'd be unreal.

 

[gentlegreen]

I started posting on ar$ebook under my own name to wind up the right wing and religious people in my own family and social circle.
I've no idea where some of the crazy friend requests come from. I simply ignore such nonsense - even from my own family.

 

[kabbes]

No I don't. The point would only stand up if the only obvious route to interacting with the show was via FB, and I suspect that's not the case. If you feel it is the case, you should complain, and I would imagine it'll be taken seriously.

Ultimately they have to be on FB because it's where the public is, and they have a public service remit, in particular to better engage with demographics where they lack proportional engagement. However it certainly shouldn't be the only way.

Personally I cannot foresee any point at which - like many sites do now - your FB identity is the or even a key to accessing actual BBC services, e.g. sign-in or any of the rest of it. It would have so many problems it'd be unreal.

It’s the only way to interact with the show that they ever talk about. They even have a listener each week on the line to ask a question that they have submitted via that Facebook page.

 

[mauvais]

It’s the only way to interact with the show that they ever talk about. They even have a listener each week on the line to ask a question that they have submitted via that Facebook page.

You should whinge about it then.

BBC - Complaints - Complain Online

Complaints go to a handler, Capita, and then make it to the relevant team for that service/product. What happens then will vary by team, but IME the more constructive ones are taken seriously.

 

[kabbes]

You should whinge about it then.

BBC - Complaints - Complain Online

Complaints go to a handler, Capita, and then make it to the relevant team for that service/product. What happens then will vary by team, but IME the more constructive ones are taken seriously.

I may do just that.

How do you feel about all these BBC tv shows starting by advertising Twitter?

 

[mauvais]

I may do just that.

How do you feel about all these BBC tv shows starting by advertising Twitter?

I think all the mainstream social media services are at saturation, so as a mechanism, it offers far more to the BBC than it does to any of these services - i.e. almost noone engages more with the Twitter platform because of the BBC, but they might engage more with the BBC because of the BBC's Twitter presence.

I think the BBC faces an existential crisis as it loses relevance with under-45s, which is already a massive demographic, due to Netflix, Spotify etc, and so it urgently needs to act, which it is doing to some extent.

FWIW, there was a previous discussion on a similar topic: https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/are-the-bbc-allowed-to-advertise-themselves.356449/

Obligatory disclaimer: I work for the BBC but views are my own

 

[kabbes]

I think all the mainstream social media services are at saturation, so as a mechanism, it offers far more to the BBC than it does to any of these services - i.e. almost noone engages more with the Twitter platform because of the BBC, but they might engage more with the BBC because of the BBC's Twitter presence.

I think the BBC faces an existential crisis as it loses relevance with under-45s, which is already a massive demographic, due to Netflix, Spotify etc, and so it urgently needs to act, which it is doing to some extent.

FWIW, there was a previous discussion on a similar topic: https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/are-the-bbc-allowed-to-advertise-themselves.356449/

Obligatory disclaimer: I work for the BBC but views are my own

So no downsides then?

 

[mauvais]

So no downsides then?

There are downsides - pollution of content, lack of ownership of the experience, complex ties to a commercial third party - but most of the consequences of these seem much less tangible than the fundamentals of failing to engage with audiences.

Consider for example services where the BBC is merely a content provider - e.g. you can ask a Google phone/speaker/car to, by voice command, 'play The Archers'. It starts playing, but it's Google in control, control over what service gets used, control over how that specific request gets resolved, control over the presentation and experience. If it directs the device to a BBC service, good, of sorts. This total loss of ownership is total anathema to the BBC, and it resisted it for some time, but since you can't turn the tide on this kind of mode of listening, the alternative is to be missing from the picture altogether and become irrelevant.

 

[DotCommunist]

Obligatory disclaimer: I work for the BBC but views are my own

if you've got anything to do with iplayer can you make them stop calling a series 'box set' like they've just discovered this new thing please? its twee.

 

[mauvais]

if you've got anything to do with iplayer can you make them stop calling a series 'box set' like they've just discovered this new thing please? its twee.

Heh. Very early 2000s DVD, isn't it. Complain!

 

[farmerbarleymow]

This is well worth a read:

'Dear Mark, this is why I hate you.' An open letter to Zuckerberg | WIRED UK

It sums up everything I hate about Facebook, and why joining up will indeed deluge you with contacts you’d rather not have and, yes, shit yourself. But there’s no escape by not being on it either.

FB can fuck right off and shove their server farms up their arse as far as I'm concerned. Never had an account as the site always looked like a privacy nightmare.

 

[kabbes]

There are downsides - pollution of content, lack of ownership of the experience, complex ties to a commercial third party - but most of the consequences of these seem much less tangible than the fundamentals of failing to engage with audiences.

What about the downside of making the audience choose between providing data to a US company for unknown future use or not being able to join in with the BBC’s selected method of interacting with it?

 

[mauvais]

What about the downside of making the audience choose between providing data to a US company for unknown future use or not being able to join in with the BBC’s selected method of interacting with it?

Obviously, but you're already complaining about that.

In your R5L example, I don't listen to the show so I don't know how they present it, but there are multiple ways to engage: BBC Radio 5 live - Fighting Talk - Contact us

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Obviously, but you're already complaining about that.

In your R5L example, I don't listen to the show so I don't know how they present it, but there are multiple ways to engage: BBC Radio 5 live - Fighting Talk - Contact us

I hope you're claiming overtime for your work on this thread.

 

[kabbes]

Obviously, but you're already complaining about that.

You haven’t acknowledged it as a valid problem, though. And a really serious one in my view.

In your R5L example, I don't listen to the show so I don't know how they present it, but there are multiple ways to engage: BBC Radio 5 live - Fighting Talk - Contact us

You know how I say they present it, though.

 

[mauvais]

You haven’t acknowledged it as a valid problem, though. And a really serious one in my view.

It's not really my place to either assert that it's a problem or defend it as not one - for clarity, it's in no way related to what I do professionally. I comment because I think it's worth adding a bit more perspective. As I've said, there are good reasons why it's integrated into social media.

I do think that if you feel that any element of the service is being marshalled through one particular commercial service, especially Facebook, then it merits raising that as an issue with that service. Inevitably someone will have thought about it and it's probably someone's job to continue looking at it. In the first instance they will probably respond that there are lots of means through which to engage, but if you think that's not so, push back.