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Johnson ahead

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by paolo, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. poster342002

    poster342002 PROPER leftwing socialist

    I use buses evey day and have noticed no significant changes. I still find I have to wait just as long as before and when they turn up are just as crowded. Still get stuck in jams all over the place.
  2. Oswaldtwistle

    Oswaldtwistle Banned

    That is pathetic.
  3. tarannau

    tarannau Mongolian eyed

    What and the fact that you've at least two posters from the same part of town as you, both catching public transport every day, commenting on the improved state of transport has passed you by? Why not comment on the specific of the list of improvements for example?

    You seem to be reciting your favoured soundbited regardless of what people say on this thread.
  4. tarannau

    tarannau Mongolian eyed

    So you haven't noticed the new routes, the presence of availabity checkers, the largely stable fares and free transport for children then.

    Quite remakable in your lack of observation skills aren't you?
  5. tarannau

    tarannau Mongolian eyed

    So you haven't noticed the new routes, the presence of availabity checkers, the largely stable fares and free transport for children then.

    Quite remakable in your lack of observation skills aren't you?
  6. poster342002

    poster342002 PROPER leftwing socialist

    People can comment and say what they like. So can people who'se experiences are a hundred miles off from what their co-debators are saying.
  7. tarannau

    tarannau Mongolian eyed

    Yes Poster they can, but when they deny the obvious they look as though they're being deliberately obtuse for effect

    So, have you noticed those shelters with electronic information screens then, or the free transport for kids, or the fact that fares didn't rise this Jan then? My point about your piss-stained shades of misery perception and convenient lack of observational skills in this instance stands.
  8. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Exactly, it's just playing devils advocate.
  9. poster342002

    poster342002 PROPER leftwing socialist

    I'll certainly remember that the next time I'm standing on a crowded bus (that I've waited ages for) in central London that's stuck in traffic going nowhere and I see one of those posters proclaiming how much better and faster my journey now is.
  10. KeyboardJockey

    KeyboardJockey Clowns to the Left of me

    A fucking disaster not so much the free transport but the failure to remove the free transport from the anti social.
  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Oh come on - bus services, and in particular night bus services - have improved out of all recognition.
  12. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    The fact is Livingstone gets things done - he introduced the Oyster card (from HOng Kong which has amazing public transport), he introduced bendy busses (from Europe where they are common, and they make logical sense in improving traffic speed), and he introduced the Kengestion charge - the first in the world.

    East London line extension? Cross rail? Olympic redevelopment? Free travel to under 16's? He's a very pro-active mayor, that is for sure...

    Wether any of these are good moves or not is not my point - my point is Ken isn't scared to make radical changes and get things done. Boris hasn't got a clue - the most we can expect from him is to scrap things, not be creative and make thigns happen.

    There is a lot to be said for actually getting things done - far from easy.

    This is the most ridiculous post i've seen on u75 in years :rolleyes: has to be trolling surely
  13. Matt S

    Matt S Well-Known Member

    Perhaps people who live in London permanently sometimes find it hard to see the difference, but as someone who lived in London for 18 years, then moved out and comes back occasionally, the buses are clearly clearly better. They just are.

  14. ChrisFilter

    ChrisFilter Like a boss.

    I don't think anyone remotely idolises Ken, or even thinks he's that good - it's just that thought of Boris Fucking Johnson is too depressing to contemplate.

    No need to try and a be so cool and scathing, sunny jim.
  15. Andy the Don

    Andy the Don Wise men say only fools..

    Firstly I cannot believe that one of the major issues of the London Mayoral elections will be bendy buses. The London mayoral elections are the second biggest direct UK election after the general election & the biggest direct English election.
    What do people have against bendy buses I think they are fantastic. I fear that politics are becoming more & more personality lead & less issue lead. I do not care if the person I vote for has the personality of a grumpy great white shark in a feeding frenzy, as long as their policies are good for the greater mass of the electorate.
  16. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Yes. Definitely. I was shocked when I came back to London after a couple of years how much they'd improved (and congestion was noticeably less, too).

    This is actually the first time I've seen or heard someone say they've not.
  17. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp

    I can see the world laughing at us again if he wins....
  18. ChrisFilter

    ChrisFilter Like a boss.

    I think it's selfishness because their ignorant reasons for voting Boris are because it takes too long for them to drive from Fulham to Farringdon and don't feel they should have to pay a congestion charge when congestion still exists. They seem to think that as a righteous Tory, Boris will bring benefits to the posh such as this.

    So no, i think their motivations are selfish because they are indeed selfish.

    Much like Keyboard Jockey's real dislike of Ken is because he's a fan of polluting vehicles and feels picked on.
  19. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    What I suspect is the plan - such as it exists - is that if he wins, given that he clearly has no proper policies and says different things to different audiences, he will be advised by the cream of the Tory think-tanks, who will come up with lots of bold forward-thinking initiatives to take London forward.

    And if that idea doesn't put the shits up people, I don't know what will.
  20. bluestreak

    bluestreak HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica

    I don't drive, my family didn't drive in london, so i've used buses and trains as my primary form of transport for 29 years now, and even the two years when i didn't live within zone 6 i was a regular visitor there. It seems much better. When i was a teenager and started going out in London the night buses to ilford were hourly, and one in three went to somewhere else which meant that you'd have to walk from wanstead. often these night buses would be full, leaivng you to wait another hour. now they're every half an hour minimum. they go everywhere too. so easy, it's great. i've never had any significant problems using buses to commute either, but i never commuted before livingstone so i can't make that claim either way. they're cheaper now though. a decade ago a two pounds bus fare wasn't unknown...

    the reason why the underground is closed down so often is because boris johnson's party, the conservative party, spend over a decade where they deliberatly underfunded reactive repairs to the underground, let alone major projects for improvement. i'm told that this was because they aimed to sell it off cheaply. this hasn't completely happened, although PFI has been forced upon us by thatchers vile successors. have the tories changed their minds about public ownership? or is johnson going to continue with privatisation?

    the man isn't fit to run a whelk stand. by all means vote against livingstone, he's done stuff wrong alright, but to pick a racist elitist moron to do so is fucking sick and a kick in the balls to all of london's working class and BME citizens.
  21. ChrisFilter

    ChrisFilter Like a boss.

    Yep... couldn't envisage London becoming recognised as cultural, gastronomic and financial capital of the world under Boris, yet it happened under Ken.

    Can't see tourism improving under Boris either.

    Above anything else, he's an Eton educated Tory. I means for fucks sake :rolleyes:
  22. innit

    innit c'mon, little life giver

    If that's who we choose to represent our city on an international level, at a very high profile time with the Olympics on the horizon... humiliation will ensue :(
  23. KeyboardJockey

    KeyboardJockey Clowns to the Left of me

    As I've said before its nothing to do with my choice of vehicle and everything to do with distaste for Livngstones arrogance and corruption.
  24. bluestreak

    bluestreak HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica

    Yup... the gaff prone MP, friend to racists, smasher of restaurants, runner of a rich and relatively sedate constituency, put in charge of one of the most important cities in the world... fucking joke... and with the olympics too! putting a pig in charge of the swill!
  25. ChrisFilter

    ChrisFilter Like a boss.

    Exactly... "but he's promised to get rid of bendy buses" - fucking clowns :mad:
  26. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Keep trotting this line out, None of us believe you.
  27. KeyboardJockey

    KeyboardJockey Clowns to the Left of me

    And Livingstone who embraced yes embraced a homophobic racist cleric isn't a kick in the balls for all those who dislike religous fascism?
  28. ChrisFilter

    ChrisFilter Like a boss.

    Bigotry, a right-wing stance, elitism, and a complete lack of any idea of how to run a megapolis are preferable to you, then?
  29. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    They might make sense in Europe, but in on London's roads they don't. And they manage to lose money as well being a fire hazard...
  30. KeyboardJockey

    KeyboardJockey Clowns to the Left of me

    Can't be any worse than Livingstone. Besides that London needs a change and unfortunately Paddick isn't going to be the man as much as I'd like him to be.

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