Johnson ahead
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Kid_Eternity
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Wow. Now to business, what's the figure vote wise? Will this make much of a difference if Green voters follow it?
Well, depends how we do!
Unfortunately, the vast bulk of our vote last time was in 2nd preferences (10% of all second prefs, which is huge), which obviously makes no difference to Ken. Only our first prefs transfer to another candidate.
If we did exactly as well as last time, then we would get about 57,000 first pref votes. If they all transferred to Ken, that would make a decent difference (not a huge one though). However, they won't all transfer to Ken, because some people will never vote Labour under any circumstances, others won't understand the system, etc etc.
But then we could (and I think we will, actually) do better on first prefs than last time.
So, fuck knows, basically. It'll make some difference, but nowhere near enough to swing the election by itself. It might change the momentum though.
Matt
Unfortunately, the vast bulk of our vote last time was in 2nd preferences (10% of all second prefs, which is huge), which obviously makes no difference to Ken. Only our first prefs transfer to another candidate.
If we did exactly as well as last time, then we would get about 57,000 first pref votes. If they all transferred to Ken, that would make a decent difference (not a huge one though). However, they won't all transfer to Ken, because some people will never vote Labour under any circumstances, others won't understand the system, etc etc.
But then we could (and I think we will, actually) do better on first prefs than last time.
So, fuck knows, basically. It'll make some difference, but nowhere near enough to swing the election by itself. It might change the momentum though.
Matt
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Hmmm but there's a headline in there somewhere because Respect are doing the same in terms of their 2nd pref.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
If enough Londoners actually vote for the cunt, I don't know what I will do, to be quite honest. Probably I will stand there for a good week saying "Boris Johnson? Boris Fucking Johnson?", mixed in with "what the fuck were you thinking?" And then, well, I don't know, I'll play it by ear.
Pretty sure he won't win though.
Pretty sure he won't win though.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I'm up for a revolution and/or assassination if bojo does win it. that or emigration, cos i simply can't envisage having that fool in charge of anything tbf.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I think he's going too. If he does it's the first major step toward Cameron and the Tories winning the next election.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I think a lot of people who voted for Boris in London in order to get rid of Livingstone will either abstain or vote Lib Dem or another party at the GE. Can see it seriously damaging NL nationally though. Can't see it boosting the tories as much as you think.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Want to bet on it? I'm serious, I'd lay money on a Bojo victory playing a significant role in a Tory GE win.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
When is the next GE? Does Boris have time to leave London in tatters thus people realising a Tory govt would be an equal disaster?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
If NL continue fucking up, patronising, curbing peoples freedom, behave arrogantly and much much more then they are quite capable of losing the election without any help from Johnson.
Its a sad day when someone like BoJo looks electable because the alternatives are worse.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I interviewed him the other day. Nice bloke actually but he didn't have a clue as to what the bloody hell was going on. I really really really really dont think Boris is up to the job, hes just saying what his press people think will win votes. It really looked like poor Boris was being wheeled out to us to say what he had been told then pulled away. We asked a couple of questions that had not been cleared, Boris was ok with it bit didn't really have a clue, the press officer was furious.
For some reason his press people have turned down ITVs request for a live debate the night before the election on several occasions. All the other candidates will be there so we asked Boris why he wouldnt be. He hadn't even been told about it and was keen to find out why from the press officer who pretty much patted him and said "its nothing to worry about, there there, shussh" and dragged him away.
Quite frighteningly about four people that past us (outside but in a fairly remote location) gave a great cheer with a "go boris". . Uh oh.
For some reason his press people have turned down ITVs request for a live debate the night before the election on several occasions. All the other candidates will be there so we asked Boris why he wouldnt be. He hadn't even been told about it and was keen to find out why from the press officer who pretty much patted him and said "its nothing to worry about, there there, shussh" and dragged him away.
Quite frighteningly about four people that past us (outside but in a fairly remote location) gave a great cheer with a "go boris". . Uh oh.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
In short - yes he has plenty of time to fuck them royally which might be the only silver lining
I know perfectly rational, sensible, politcally aware people who plan to vote for BoJo. Some of them in reaction to thinking Ken's been a bit of a twat and see's London as "his" and others who thought "it might be a laugh"
I'm reconsidering my friendship with those 3 
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
I can't believe anyone sane person would seriously vote for the faux-niave buffoon. Unless Ken had actually eaten your baby or something. But I'm worried for you guys - its a shame ex-Londoners can't vote!
scifisam
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In short - yes he has plenty of time to fuck them royally which might be the only silver lining
I know perfectly rational, sensible, politcally aware people who plan to vote for BoJo. Some of them in reaction to thinking Ken's been a bit of a twat and see's London as "his" and others who thought "it might be a laugh"
I know people who think the latter, too. Do they not realise how much power the London Mayor actually has?
I hope I don't have this twit foisted on me and my city for such stupd reasons.
editor
hiraethified
It's terrifying prospect. The guy's entertaining but I sure don't want some bumbling toff running London.
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I hope I don't have this twit foisted on me and my city for such stupd reasons.
What would you prefer then an arrogant scumbag who embraces homophobic clerical fascists, who has backed to the hilt the olympic disaster, who has shown massive errors of judgements in many areas, who appears not to listen to Londoners and much much more.
I'd much rather there was an electable alternative to BoJo but sadly we don't have one.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
they are going to find that some of the mud that is beginnign to rightly stick to Livingstone is going to start sticking to them. A piss poor decision on the part of the Greens IMO.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
This is what worries me... the bloke doesn't have a clue. He didn't when he became MP for Henley. He canvassed us in The Angel when we were outside having a pint. Was all over the place when a mate of ours actually started questioning him on his politics. Really flustered. Ended up buying us a all a pint and being hastily bundled a way by his Tory boy advisor.
London is too important to be handlded by such a tool. Why can't people look past petty shit and see this? "I'll be voting for Boris 'cos he'd have never introduced the congestion charge!" - the congestion charge is a good thing you fucking simpleton
The damage he could do is utterly depressing. London will always be London, but it's riding the crest of a wave at the moment and it wouldn't be difficult to upset this.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Bollocks, you just can't look past the personal injury you feel because of his policies on congestion and emissions!
No different from the vacuous, clucking Fulham based muppets at work who'll be voting for 'Good old Boris!' because they don't have a clue. It's just selfishness pure and simple.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's only a reflection of the reality - most greens would be voting for livingstone 2nd pref anyway.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Nah there are personal 'ways and means ' around that. Its the arrogance and the waste and the piss poor judgement on the part of Livingstone that makes me want him gone.Bollocks, you just can't look past the personal injury you feel because of his policies on congestion and emissions!
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
There was an article in the Times magazine (I think) a few weeks ago, pretty much saying the same thing - that Johnson had few policies, some rather trite speeches, and basically didn't have a clue. Oh and quite a few Tory boys protecting him from any diffcult questions.
Oswald,
I shouldn't really go into detail about all of this because I've had bad experiences before at election time of other parties taking my internet quotations out of context!
However, in short, my view is that the Green Party doesn't gain much out of this, but that it is the right thing to do for London. Which might sound idealistic, but hey, thats us.
Matt
I shouldn't really go into detail about all of this because I've had bad experiences before at election time of other parties taking my internet quotations out of context!
However, in short, my view is that the Green Party doesn't gain much out of this, but that it is the right thing to do for London. Which might sound idealistic, but hey, thats us.
Matt
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
No-one's arguing that Ken is in any way honest or unselfish, but he's been good for London and Boris Johnson would be a massive, massive step in the wrong direction.
All of your points may be perfectly accurate, but do you really, truly believe that Boris Johnson wouldn't be way worse!?
scifisam
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Arrogant? Hello, politician!
Scumbag - disagree.
Homophobic clerics - well, that's all of them, really.
Olympics - I agree there, but I doubt, at the time, that it was apparent how bas this was going to be for the city.
The rest I disagree with.
He's made some excellent decisions, and his policies are mostly in line with my own opinion. He's far from perfect, but still far, far better than a poor twit with no policies who's only there as a puppet for the real Tories behind him - the invisible people who'll be making re real decisions. At least with Ken you know who you're voting for.
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