John McCain: next republican candidate

[pbman]

not surprising, given bushes popularity...

He won twice and had a bigger margin that clinton ever did.

But don't let facts bother you.


Anyways, we will pick our candidate in secret, in "smokey back rooms" as usual, and let you guys know about two years before the primary, who's going to get the GOP nomination.

 

[oi2002]

Recently I think the GOP and the Dems are actually a bit like the Tories in the UK. Deeply fractious they end up timidly picking the Presidents based on lack of emnity rather than ability. So men of obvious charecter like McCain get trounced by wealthy third rate back stairs mongrels like Dubya.

 

[lyra_k]

Recently I think the GOP and the Dems are actually a bit like the Tories in the UK. Deeply fractious they end up timidly picking the Presidents based on lack of emnity rather than ability. So men of obvious charecter like McCain get trounced by wealthy third rate back stairs mongrels like Dubya.

I think you're right; that's how Kerry/Edwards ended up on the ticket IMO.

 

[marty21]

He won twice and had a bigger margin that clinton ever did.

But don't let facts bother you.


Anyways, we will pick our candidate in secret, in "smokey back rooms" as usual, and let you guys know about two years before the primary, who's going to get the GOP nomination.

the facts are he fucked up in louisiana....and he didn't win biggerthan clinton, gore won the popular vote in 2000

 

[ska invita]

Dont all US presidents have to be Christian (protestants?) - not catholic anyway... where does John "microchips" McCain fit on the obligatory religious map>

 

[marty21]

Dont all US presidents have to be Christian (protestants?) - not catholic anyway... where does John "microchips" McCain fit on the obligatory religious map>

kennedy was catholic

 

[ska invita]

didnt do him any favours though...

 

[marty21]

didnt do him any favours though...

true

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There aren't any good Republican candidates. They're being coy about it simply because they don't have any; they know that the Dems are going to win the next election. They just hope that the President is somebody, like Hillary, against whom they can muster a huge amount of ill-will, and thus win political battles during her term and the election after that. Presidential elections aren't the only thing around.

 

[pbman]

Recently I think the GOP and the Dems are actually a bit like the Tories in the UK. Deeply fractious they end up timidly picking the Presidents based on lack of emnity rather than ability. So men of obvious charecter like McCain get trounced by wealthy third rate back stairs mongrels like Dubya.

If he had "obviouse charecter" i would respect him, maybee even like him.

But he's just blowing smoke up your ass.

His posing on campaing finance reform, wasn't real.

Thats one of the main reasons were pissed off.

 

[pbman]

the facts are he fucked up in louisiana....and he didn't win biggerthan clinton, gore won the popular vote in 2000

TRy reading your own post.

I said clinton.

And gore may have won the popular vote but the ticket was split...........

He didn't get over 51 % like bush did last time.

He got 48%.

That still less than bush.

No one in our entire history has gotten as many votes as bush.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

didnt do him any favours though...

What does that mean?

 

[pbman]

There aren't any good Republican candidates. They're being coy about it simply because they don't have any; they know that the Dems are going to win the next election. They just hope that the President is somebody, like Hillary, against whom they can muster a huge amount of ill-will, and thus win political battles during her term and the election after that. Presidential elections aren't the only thing around.

lol

If you have someone better than kerry, why didn't they run?

Lets have a name.

One that doesn't make me break out in giggles please.

 

[pbman]

kennedy was catholic

He also had the support of the italian mob/democratic machine, thats a huge base compared with McCain.

And he had a lot of dead voters in chicago..............

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

lol

If you have someone better than kerry, why didn't they run?

Lets have a name.

One that doesn't make me break out in giggles please.

Evan Bayh

 

[pbman]

Evan Bayh

Give me the name of the last senator who won.

And he's way to anti gun to be a mainstream candidate. The NRA and the GOA, both gave him failing grade.

So that dog doesn't hunt.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Give me the name of the last senator who won.

.

I dunno: Kennedy?

 

[pbman]

I dunno: Kennedy?

Correct, and that was 45 years ago.

They have to many votes that can be held against them.

Its kind of hard for a senator to pretend to be a sportsman, when he voted for every gun bill to come down the pike.............

Kerry couldn't do it.

The three G rule, weather you like them or not.

If anyone is on the wrong said of any of the G's he's un-electable.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

None of the dems put up as prospectives seem all that remarkable. Their only saving grace will be the bad taste in the mouths of many voters re the republicans, imo.

 

[pbman]

None of the dems put up as prospectives seem all that remarkable. Their only saving grace will be the bad taste in the mouths of many voters re the republicans, imo.

BAd call.

People are not going to forget they like guns, and dislike liberals.

But when the death rate comes in really low in LO, and the feds spend a hundred billion, they will forget they ever thought a bad thing about bush.

And most people are conservative so they can hardly have bad feelings aobut themsleves for something bush did or didn't do.

As long as he gets us some good judges, he can do no wrong.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

BAd call.

People are not going to forget they like guns, and dislike liberals.

But when the death rate comes in really low in LO, and the feds spend a hundred billion, they will forget they ever thought a bad thing about bush.

And most people are conservative so they can hardly have bad feelings aobut themsleves for something bush did or didn't do.

As long as he gets us some good judges, he can do no wrong.

The hardcore on either end won't be swayed. It's the soft middle that can swing one way or the other.

 

[pbman]

The hardcore on either end won't be swayed. It's the soft middle that can swing one way or the other.

Correct, and a hundred billion will do it.

The party is a lot big bigger than bush.

And americans are conservative.

If the democrats had someone like bubba, who had a better NRA rating than bush's old man they might have a chance......

But they don't.

 

[marty21]

TRy reading your own post.

I said clinton.

And gore may have won the popular vote but the ticket was split...........

He didn't get over 51 % like bush did last time.

He got 48%.

That still less than bush.

No one in our entire history has gotten as many votes as bush.

let's see clinton beat daddy bush - winning 44,906,806 votes to daddy bush 39,104,550 (that's a majority in the public vote of 5.802,256

He beat bob cole, 47,400,125 - 39,198,755, a (popular majority of 8,201,370)


bush "wins" against gore in 2000 winning 50.460,110 votes to gore's 51,004,926
a popular majority of - 544,816

and then bush wins in 2004 winning 62,040,610 to ketty's 59,028,439

a popular majority of 3, 012,171

he won bigger in the sense that more people voted, but even in america, the population gets bigger, he didn't be any stretch of the imagination win bigger than clinton, look at the majorities...

 

[Matt S]

Has anyone else noticed how, if someone disagrees with pbman, they instantly "don't understand the rules of American politics". As if everyone in American politics agrees with this great Delphic oracle of political savvy...

Some people have different *opinions* on politics, peebs, thats how it works. You may have noticed that not everyone in America (or even the Republican Party) agrees with you either. Karl Rove 101 is not necessarily the only way of viewing political discourse - though, depressingly, I will admit it has been extremely successful over the last decade.

Matt

 

[nino_savatte]

Has anyone else noticed how, if someone disagrees with pbman, they instantly "don't understand the rules of American politics". As if everyone in American politics agrees with this great Delphic oracle of political savvy...

Some people have different *opinions* on politics, peebs, thats how it works. You may have noticed that not everyone in America (or even the Republican Party) agrees with you either. Karl Rove 101 is not necessarily the only way of viewing political discourse - though, depressingly, I will admit it has been extremely successful over the last decade.

Matt

It's true and it's either that or it's "bad spin", "a commie/liberal lie" or "denial is the pillare of the left".

 

[Nemo]

It's true and it's either that or it's "bad spin", "a commie/liberal lie" or "denial is the pillare of the left".

I only hope that the next time a Democrat wins a Presidential election, both Peebs and me are here so that I can see the reaction.

 

[marty21]

I only hope that the next time a Democrat wins a Presidential election, both Peebs and me are here so that I can see the reaction.

peebs is convinced that the republicans will never use another presidential election, that they are the natural party of government, he was probably as convinced in 1976, 1992, and 1996...

 

[TokenYank]

Is Dick Cheney definatley not running? How old is he?

Cheney is not a well-liked man. He will NOT get the nomination.

 

[TokenYank]

Is McCain more palatable than most Republicans? Definitely. But he's still an anti-worker bum-- of course, for that matter, so are most leading Dems.

But it's a moot point, because the GOP has pretty good Party discipline and knows how to appeal to their reactionary base, and for these reasons a moderate like McCain will not get nominated. But who knows? He may get the nomination based solely on the fact that he'd be a hard man to beat-- most Repubs would vote for him, many Independents, and I'm guessing many conservative Dems as well.

I think a lot would ride on how the GOP does in the 2006 elections. If they end up losing a lot of seats as a backlash to their extremist policies, they might want to nominate a moderate with cross-over appeal like McCain. If they either pick-up seats or keep the same amount in '06, they'll stick with a right-wing extremist like W for the '08 Presidential race.

 

[oi2002]

Cheney is not a well-liked man. He will NOT get the nomination.

You could also say Cheney is not a well man, always thought the dash to Baghdad was a race with his dodgy ticker.

Odd that Cheney, whose obviously a far more formidable politician than Dubya, ends up as veep. It's a bit like Gordon Brown remaining Chancellor and John Prescot being Primeminister.