John McCain: next republican candidate

[lyra_k]

*swatting at pesky lizards*

I'm under the impression that it was a close call for McCain deciding which party to go with when he went into politics. I'm sure Kerry wouldn't have publicly asked him to be his running mate if he didn't feel there was a good chance of him agreeing.

I think the campaign finance reform stuff was broadly commendable. I think he has too many principles for the corporate interests who finance the Republicans to ever allow him to stand (unless it was to have him lose in 2008 and watch him fade into obscurity forever).

He's one of those politicians I've been expecting to meet with a nasty accident or an unforeseen heart attack if he ever looks like getting anywhere - he's far too popular with the people (on both sides) to be allowed to get into a position where he could threaten corporate interests.

 

[pbman]

I'm under the impression that it was a close call for McCain deciding which party to go with when he went into politics. I'm sure Kerry wouldn't have publicly asked him to be his running mate if he didn't feel there was a good chance of him agreeing.

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And i'm sure kerry is dumber than dirt.

McCain jsut about b**** slaped him.

I think the campaign finance reform stuff was broadly commendable.

The goal maybee, but not the reality.

I think he has too many principles for the corporate interests who finance the Republicans to ever allow him to stand

Thats the smoke he blowes, it not true thou.

He's one of those politicians I've been expecting to meet with a nasty accident or an unforeseen heart attack if he ever looks like getting anywhere -

What end up like vince foster?

Only the democrats have low rent hit men on retainer.

he's far too popular with the people (on both sides)

Not true, has no base, and without a base, you have no power, or influence.

Thats a baisic rule of politics no one can deny.

threaten corporate interests.

Here in the real world, 95% of the people with real (non gov't) jobs depend on "corporet interests" to feed their children and rovied for their familes..........

And on top of the actual jobs take a real look at who ownes these companies.

Start with something simple like GM and get back to me.

 

[laptop]

The Republicans aren't going to win the next election anyway... I can *just* see them having him as a candidate just to fail...

You got there before me.

 

[pbman]

You got there before me.

Hell i doubt its possible to loose it next time, our margin growes every election and the population is moving to good red states......

And the democrats have hillaiary.

And she has more baggage than kerry ever did.

 

[lyra_k]

And the democrats have hillaiary.

And she has more baggage than kerry ever did.

Hilary C will get liberals out to vote in numbers that Kerry could only dream of.

America is split pretty much 50:50 and you know it. It's all about voter turnout - if Democrats had been fired up by Kerry, he would have won.

 

[pk]

Hell i doubt its possible to loose it next time, our margin growes every election and the population is moving to good red states......

And the democrats have hillaiary.

And she has more baggage than kerry ever did.

Oh, use a spellchecker you dumb Yankee Doodle cunt.

 

[pbman]

Hilary C will get liberals out to vote in numbers that Kerry could only dream of.
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Of course.

But for every liberal vote she pulls, she will lose two or three, of the redneck democrats in key swing states........

And the libierals dominate states that are not in contention like NY and california.

Liberal is what we call people to insult them in the rest of the country.

America is split pretty much 50:50 and you know it

I know we use the electorial system, and not a simple majority.

 

[pbman]

Oh, use a spellchecker you dumb Yankee Doodle cunt.

 

[mears]

I've just read the Wikipedia page about him. I can see a whole list of problems I'd have with him (political/ideological ones) but of course it kind of depends who is on the shortlist - both for the Republican ticket/primaries and then in the actual election itself - as to who is the "lesser evil".

I'm sorry, problems you would have with him?

Are you a United States citizen?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm sorry, problems you would have with him?

Are you a United States citizen?

Heh heh, Yep, he is, and yes you are.

 

[redsquirrel]

Of course.

But for every liberal vote she pulls, she will lose two or three, of the redneck democrats in key swing states........

And the libierals dominate states that are not in contention like NY and california.

Liberal is what we call people to insult them in the rest of the country.



I know we use the electorial system, and not a simple majority.

What the hell does that image have to do with anything
George W. Bush 62,040,610 votes 50.7%
John F. Kerry 59,028,111 votes 48.3%

George W. Bush 50,460,110 votes 47.9%
Al Gore 51,003,926 votes 48.4%

So for the last two presidential elections the vote has pretty much been split down the middle.

 

[Matt S]

(a) McCain is alright, as Republican candidates go he is by far the best possible contender. He is not only sound on campaign reform, but also extremely good on climate change - which might explain why pbman hates him so much.

(b) PB - McCain wouldn't even carry his own state? Are you insane? He is a decorated war veteran with a massive national profile and bipartisan appeal. He'd carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, New Mexico and a whole raft of other swing states against most Democrats. Hell, he'd probably even have a shot at places like California if the Democrat was uninspiring enough!

Matt

 

[Ae589]

Heh heh, Yep, he is, and yes you are.

That's the last we'll hear from Mears then.

Dear-oh-dear - what is going on here? The Republiboys are falling all over themselves to denounce this guy ('I'm sure he'll make the most out of being a POW' ?!?) and U75 seems quite positive about a Republican!

"Baldrick? Who gave you permission to turn into an Alsatian? Oh God, it's a dream, isn't it. It's a bloody dream..."

 

[marty21]

they're bound to lose.

the ruling party hardly ever wins more than 2 in a row.

given a mccain/clinton election would you rather see clinton in power?

the democrats won 5 in a row, 1932-1952,

the republicans won in 1980, 1984, and 1988...

mccain does have a good image, ex-vet who stayed in the pow camps when he could have got an early release as an officer, has tried to tackle campaign finances, i think the democrats were wooing him at one stage, he has gravitas, which voters like, has a pretty clean history iirc, so nothing to bite him during a possible campaign...age is against him, he's nearly 70 isn't he? and who he chooses as a running mate could be crucial....he won't get any of the vietnam stuff that kerry had to ensure during his campaign, or clinton before hand, or even bush and his avoidance antics....

he is a strong candidate

 

[kea]

(a) McCain is alright, as Republican candidates go he is by far the best possible contender. He is not only sound on campaign reform, but also extremely good on climate change - which might explain why pbman hates him so much.

shame about his stance on abortion then.

 

[angry bob]

Well I'm english so it doesn't matter what I think.

Just interested like.

We're talking about a nation that voted for dubya not once but twice.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Didn't the UK vote for Blair not once, or twice but three times?

 

[Matt S]

>>shame about his stance on abortion then>>

Yep - I did say 'as Republican candidates go'. It's not as if I'd vote for him or something.

Matt

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's the last we'll hear from Mears then.

We can live in hope, but given that Teejay is now serving a month's ban, then mears will probably find the "courage" to character-assassinate Teejay, despite his American citizenship.

Dear-oh-dear - what is going on here? The Republiboys are falling all over themselves to denounce this guy ('I'm sure he'll make the most out of being a POW' ?!?) and U75 seems quite positive about a Republican!

"Baldrick? Who gave you permission to turn into an Alsatian? Oh God, it's a dream, isn't it. It's a bloody dream..."

Sick, man. Sick.

 

[moono]

Comes the time, comes the man.

What is required now is a US President with sympathy for the Palestinians and respect for Islam.
Take a look at McCain's past speeches.
McCain is not the guy.

 

[Matt S]

Well, no, of course he's not - of any of the Presidential candidates from the Democrats/Republicans who might possibly run, the only one I would consider even in the region of acceptable would be Feingold.

But, relative to other Republicans, McCain is one of the best of a bad lot. He's no foaming neo-con, and thats a start.

Matt

 

[pbman]

What the hell does that image have to do with anything
George W. Bush 62,040,610 votes 50.7%
John F. Kerry 59,028,111 votes 48.3%

George W. Bush 50,460,110 votes 47.9%
Al Gore 51,003,926 votes 48.4%

So for the last two presidential elections the vote has pretty much been split down the middle.

Here in the real world kerry could have won the popular vote and still lost bigtime.

We don't go for mob rule, we have an electorial system.

Final Projection - 11/02/04
EV's: Bush 289, Kerry 249

 

[pbman]

he is a strong candidate

In your dreams maybee.

In the real world he has no base, republicans like real republicans and democrats like real commies.

Besides that, he is a senator, and they are un-electable in moden times.

 

[marty21]

In your dreams maybee.

In the real world he has no base, republicans like real republicans and democrats like real commies.

Besides that, he is a senator, and they are un-electable in moden times.

i didn't say i thought he would win, or even wanted him to win, he's a strong candidate in a weak republican field - who else have you got, jeb bush? dick cheney? whose going to take over from dubya? and who can beat senator clinton?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

pbman's talking ideologically-based rubbish: McCain is the perfect candidate for borderline and swing potential Republicans. He's against the war, he's not in with the Christian Right and so on. Many Democrats are keen on him. If he could be relied on to stick to a line he'd be ideal.

The problem with him is that he's not politically correct as far as the party goes. He's too much of a loose cannon; regardless of his views, he's too independent period. There is no way that they're going to push him as the next prez. It's not to do with what he thinks so much as he's not a part of the party machine, and that's unforgivable.

 

[pbman]

i didn't say i thought he would win, or even wanted him to win, he's a strong candidate in a weak republican field - who else have you got, jeb bush? dick cheney? whose going to take over from dubya? and who can beat senator clinton?

The field isn't weak, we are just not pushing anyone yet.

Wait anouther year at least.

And their is no way in hell that mccain could get the GOP nominaition so, he can't even get on the ticket.

So he's an extreamly weak candidate.

Rule number 1 is that you need a strong base, and he doens't have that.

Way to many or our primaries are "closed Primaries" open only to us.

And no one in their ri9ght mind would waste a dime on him, cause they know he can't win.

Hell he probably couldn't even get on the primary ticket in most states, he'll end up like ralph nader.

 

[pbman]

pbman's talking ideologically-based rubbish: McCain is the perfect candidate for borderline and swing potential Republicans. .

ROFLMAO

He has no base,so he also can't raise early money.

So he's DOA.

The rules of american politics are written in stone, regardless of weather or not you guys know them.

The problem with him is that he's not politically correct as far as the party goes. He's too much of a loose cannon; regardless of his views, he's too independent period. There is no way that they're going to push him as the next prez. It's not to do with what he thinks so much as he's not a part of the party machine, and that's unforgivable

And you think thats a small thing?

On top of all fridge said, he's an a-hole, and we have the vidio to prove it.

 

[marty21]

The field isn't weak, we are just not pushing anyone yet.

Wait anouther year at least.

And their is no way in hell that mccain could get the GOP nominaition so, he can't even get on the ticket.

So he's an extreamly weak candidate.

Rule number 1 is that you need a strong base, and he doens't have that.

Way to many or our primaries are "closed Primaries"

the gop are shitting bricks at the moment, that's why no one has emerged, no one wants to associate with dubya, they need a strong candidate to emerge and quickly, to head off senator clinton at the pass

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's not a small thing. It will ensure he doesn't get selected as the Republican candidate. That will mean he doesn't become President. He's not going to stand as an independent or anything.

If he was, they could win, but he won't be, and they won't. There's nobody around on the Republican side who's got any hope of winning; without the benefit of being the incumbent, they'll fail, I'll bet huge amounts on that. And the world will be stuck with whoever the Dems put up, probably Clinton. (This doesn't enthuse me in case you didn't notice - they're all arseholes.)

 

[pbman]

It's not a small thing. It will ensure he doesn't get selected as the Republican candidate. That will mean he doesn't become President. He's not going to stand as an independent or anything.
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So why pretend he's a strong candidate then?

If he was, they could win, but he won't be, and they won't

He could run as an independent, but he would have no more luck, raiseing money.

nobody around on the Republican side who's got any hope of winning

we could run a ham samwitch against shilliary and win.......

But the fact remains that you just havn't heard or seen of our candidates yet, as they keep a low profile at this point.

I seriously doubt many of you, or any of you even heard of bush one year into clintons second term, and thats across party lines ffs.

The fact remains that ameicans are rbecoming more conseraveative every year.

Its a high birthrate for us, and to many democrate abortions if nothing else............

I know you guys are desperate for good news, but don't kid yourself, you just have farther to fall, when your hoes are dashed against the rocks once again.

 

[marty21]

But the fact remains that you just havn't heard or seen of our candidates yet, as they keep a low profile at this point.

not surprising, given bushes popularity...