John Lennon: Awful C-nt

[ramjamclub]

fuck off, ramjam

eta: and read the post again. You do seem to have trouble following words on a screen

Now who's rattled your cage?

 

[Dubversion]

Now who's rattled your cage?

not even slightly, but if you're going to attempt a 'witty rejoinder', it helps if you actually understood the post you're responding to

 

[ramjamclub]

not even slightly, but if you're going to attempt a 'witty rejoinder', it helps if you actually understood the post you're responding to

your point being?

 

[London_Calling]

But the image of Lennon as some kind of peacenik force for good is very much at odds with the reality, and is worth pointing out.

C'mon, as you say it was an image - one largely foistered upon him and simplified for mass consumption.

He wasn't just anti-Vietnam, he wasn't just a songwriter, he was a partic complicated bloke interviewed immediately in the wake of the most traumatic event of his adult life. Prob deserves a bit of latitude.

 

[Dubversion]

your point being?

my point being that your 'funny' post didn't work because you'd failed to understand mine.

 

[gabi]

Is Macca more talented than you though Dubversion? You've confirmed that Lennon possibly was, how about Sir Paul?

 

[Dubversion]

Is Macca more talented than you though Dubversion? You've confirmed that Lennon possibly was, how about Sir Paul?

why do you give a fuck?

 

[chazegee]

So what's this about 'Roger' McGuinn?

I don't know jack about him, I thought he was a harmless noodler...

 

[LDR]

you're too touchy!

If only he was more feely too.

 

[girasol]

I heard the interview, and yes, he was a bit on the arrogant side, true, but, well, that's just the way he was. Megalomaniac? Yes - a lot of famous people are.

I think it's pretty cool that he chose Yoko rather than The Beatles though.

 

[metalguru]

That interview was carried out just after he'd been through the dubious process of primal therapy which influenced what he was saying. Apparently he hated that interview looking back at it later in the 70s.

The posthumous sainthood is hard to take and ridiculous. But I think he was a complex and disturbed person rather than simply an 'awful c-nt'.

 

[118118]

for some reason, Radio 4 decided to broadcast lengthy extracts from a 1970 interview Rolling Stone's Jan Wenner did with John Lennon, in the immediate aftermath of the Beatles.

Now, whether he was any cop or not is another issue, but what a nasty, arrogant, self-obsessed, vicious little cunt he was.

And this isn't any journalistic stitch-up - he stitches himself up.

fucking cock

mirrorrrrrrs

 

[118118]

nah i was only joking. what did he say?

 

[Bomber]

Well I've been away from the boards for a while, at least off & on, so when I come back to the fold I get that nice , warm, fuzzy feeling as I see Dubversion STILL witttering on about John Lennon/Beatles et al. Just like bedtime at The Waltons .............

 

[veracity]

The genuflection towards Lennon from that strategically-shaved chimp Liam Gallagher coloured my opinion of the Beatles to the extent that I've never really given them more than a cursory listen.

Yet daisies can grow from the shittiest ground: Philip Larkin remains my favourite poet despite apparently holding some pretty vile prejudices in private. Although the analogy with Lennon is tenuous here is Clive James on Larkin:

Philip Larkin really was the greatest poet of his time, and he really did say noxious things. But he didn't say them in his poems, which he thought of as a realm of responsibility in which he would have to answer for what he said, and answer forever. He also thought there was a temporary and less responsible realm called privacy. Alas, he was wrong about that. Always averse to the requirements of celebrity, he didn't find out enough about them, and never realized that beyond a certain point of fame you not only don't have a private life any more, you never had one.

You said it far better than I possibly could. I love Larkin's work, but am sure I wouldn't like him as a person. Does it matter? Does it fuck.

I agree that John Lennon certainly wasn't all he was cracked up to be - but he had a huge impact on music. I don't think his personality negates what he did.

O and BTW I'm not a Beatles fan - it's the Stones for me.

 

[dilute micro]

At least John was real.

 

[N_igma]

Lazy cunt, spent too much time in bed...and now he's dead, in retrospect he should've stayed in bed.

 

[phildwyer]

for some reason, Radio 4 decided to broadcast lengthy extracts from a 1970 interview Rolling Stone's Jan Wenner did with John Lennon, in the immediate aftermath of the Beatles.

Now, whether he was any cop or not is another issue, but what a nasty, arrogant, self-obsessed, vicious little cunt he was.

And this isn't any journalistic stitch-up - he stitches himself up.

fucking cock

He was smacked out of his brain during said interview.

 

[brokenyolk]

ooh the beatles are fab aren't they.....

(actually i thnk they are (aside from macca, not being sarcussword))

you know my name.....

 

[electrogirl]

what is it about lennon that gets you all stressy pants Dub?

I wouldn't even say that he is still heralded as a hero anymore, all the stuff about how he treated julian, his first wife etc. etc. is pretty common knowledge now? and if one more person bangs on about the fur coats....

he fucked up alot, and he obviously had big tim issues maaaaaaaaaan. i mean could yoko be any more of a freudian's dream???

i dunno, loads of famous people are wankers, not worth getting het up about.

i like this interview...the playboy one from the year he died.

http://www.geocities.com/~Beatleboy1/dbjypb.int1.html

i'll concur with what someone else said, he's very honest which is quite refreshing. and as much as talks about genius, he's self depracating too and he speaks highly of other people, not just himself.

ah well.

 

[phildwyer]

Think about what the guy had been through too. He was pretty clearly mentally disturbed from childhood. Then at age 22 he suddenly and unexpectedly became just about the most famous man in the world. Then he spent five years constantly tripping on acid. It's hardly surprising he sounds a bit potty.

 

[Calva dosser]

And he died pennyless. Spent all his Beatles money on drugs.

That's why he had to wear NHS specs.