John Lennon: Awful C-nt
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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Wow this thread is fun!
Reno said:
it would be '80s' if their persistent deification had ended there. it didn't, so the battle continues
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
chazegee said:
I seem to remember and interview with someone involved in some strike and them saying he gave em £5000 (at that time would have been a decent amount of money)?
editor said:
Yeh, like Paul McCartney
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
tufty79 said:twisted i love you
(((twisted)))
i shall put on some national too. in solidarity, like, not cos i'm obsessed
Well, I don't know how these things can be measured but I probably hate Lennon more than Dub but I do have thank Lennon's whiny, graty, shitty little voice for making me get my arse out of bed and find a beautiful piece of music to put on.
I've never seen them live and must do as especially as its blaggable
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Dubversion said:Yeh, like Paul McCartney
I'd rather have another 100 years of Macca's music than the last 10 with Blair leading this country....
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
PAUL MCCARTNEY?
*releases hounds*
*releases hounds*
editor
hiraethified
I think you'll find that's how most working class young men in the sixties would react in those homophobic times.tufty79 said:
In fact, you'll probably get a similar reaction around here if you started calling some of the yoots on the street gay. Sad, but true. Not much changes.
Reno
The In Kraut
Dubversion said:it would be '80s' if their persistent deification had ended there. it didn't, so the battle continues
No, the arguement is utterly stale by now. With something as popluar as The Beatles there is also a huge backlash that has been going on at least since the 70's and I've heard it all before a million times.
I loved the Beatles in my early teens because my parents had their records, but then like so many people I grew out of them simply because their music is so overexposed. That doesn't really make them bad as far as I'm concerned, I just wouldn't sit down to listen to a Beatles album because the music is omni-present and there is so much other music to be listened to.
I stay away from bashing things that are popular to this degree. It's as clicheed and tiresome as the fandom is and you are just adding to the overexposure. It's just like people thinking they are wildly original by proclaiming that John Cameron's Titanic is the worst film ever made or proclaiming that Catcher in the Rye is rubbish. Neither is as brilliant as it's supporters make out to be, but just counteracting it with negative hype is as untruthful.
editor
hiraethified
I'm definitely sure on that one!Dubversion said:
Thing is, you can find horror stories about just about any major star from those pre-PR spin-tastic days, but he was an extremely talented bloke who made music that many got a great deal of enjoyment out of.
Others may find him a talentless cock, but it's pretty hard to deny his immense musical contributions.
For the record: I don't think I own a single John Lennon record and certainly haven't played any of his stuff for as long as I can remember, so I'm no fanboy.
chris de burgheditor said:
oh, and i know, you're right about the homophobic thing. but it still helps fuel my rage, irrespective of when and who
Dirty Martini
gets what he cant want
Well, yes, Lennon was a bit of a cunt. It's one of the ironic results of the relaunch of The Beatles in the last 15 years or so. That said, I read the diaries (or letters, I can't remember exactly what they were) a few years ago and he came across as a sad individual more than a cunt, very fucked up and lost, and not the brightest.
It's a game though, isn't it? The artists you like that are cunts, it doesn't seem so relevant, and their retrograde beliefs get explained as being of their time; the artists you despise, you never get beyond their cuntishness. For example, the Byrds were the greatest band that ever drew breath, but 'Roger' McGuinn one of music's biggest and most baffling cunts.
It's a game though, isn't it? The artists you like that are cunts, it doesn't seem so relevant, and their retrograde beliefs get explained as being of their time; the artists you despise, you never get beyond their cuntishness. For example, the Byrds were the greatest band that ever drew breath, but 'Roger' McGuinn one of music's biggest and most baffling cunts.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Bono, modern day Lennon?
editor said:
trust me, it's not that hard.
Idaho
continuity character
I find Bono more repulsive. Lennon was rich, stoned and narcisstic but I think the messianic thing was imposed on him. He thought he was great, but Bono thinks he is the greatest cool rock politician when he is really a shrewd corporate animal and a dull musician.FabricLiveBaby! said:
bmd
Island in the stream.
editor said:
This is pretty much how I feel about any music or whatever star who people seem to think should have lived the life of a blameless human being.
I think it would be pretty hard to keep grounded when you're in a group like The Beatles and yeah, he probably got it wrong some of the time, like me, like every other fucker on the planet really.
The interview is here in case you wanna make your own mind up.
Error Gorilla
My spoon is too big
The genuflection towards Lennon from that strategically-shaved chimp Liam Gallagher coloured my opinion of the Beatles to the extent that I've never really given them more than a cursory listen.
Yet daisies can grow from the shittiest ground: Philip Larkin remains my favourite poet despite apparently holding some pretty vile prejudices in private. Although the analogy with Lennon is tenuous here is Clive James on Larkin:
Philip Larkin really was the greatest poet of his time, and he really did say noxious things. But he didn't say them in his poems, which he thought of as a realm of responsibility in which he would have to answer for what he said, and answer forever. He also thought there was a temporary and less responsible realm called privacy. Alas, he was wrong about that. Always averse to the requirements of celebrity, he didn't find out enough about them, and never realized that beyond a certain point of fame you not only don't have a private life any more, you never had one.
Yet daisies can grow from the shittiest ground: Philip Larkin remains my favourite poet despite apparently holding some pretty vile prejudices in private. Although the analogy with Lennon is tenuous here is Clive James on Larkin:
Philip Larkin really was the greatest poet of his time, and he really did say noxious things. But he didn't say them in his poems, which he thought of as a realm of responsibility in which he would have to answer for what he said, and answer forever. He also thought there was a temporary and less responsible realm called privacy. Alas, he was wrong about that. Always averse to the requirements of celebrity, he didn't find out enough about them, and never realized that beyond a certain point of fame you not only don't have a private life any more, you never had one.
Are you feeling ok dub? You actually like someone in the wide wide worldDubversion said:Yeh, like Paul McCartney
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Dubversion said:
I listened to some of this and thought the same...especialy when he was going on about what a genius he was and why did no one notice and how he never forgave his teacher for chucking his poetry out....he sounded like he was having a right tantrum.
Although Underneath it all he prob just never had enough love or something, didnt he lose his mum at a young age?
I can see why he might of toataly got in to Yoko is such an all consuming way
ramjamclub said:Are you feeling ok dub? You actually like someone in the wide wide world
fuck off, ramjam
eta: and read the post again. You do seem to have trouble following words on a screen
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