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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
But the point is there has been no evidence he has changed and expresses remorse for his crime. Hence the payrole board have denied his chance to leave jail. It's not a class issue at all. Any cunt can read a few books in prison and becoem a revolutionary. Not like there's much else to do is there. His supporters overlooking the fact he committed a "stupid, drunken, murder".
Well we've all been there after all. A night on the sauce, drawing on someones face with marker pen and then chopping them up and putting them in the fridge.
Well we've all been there after all. A night on the sauce, drawing on someones face with marker pen and then chopping them up and putting them in the fridge.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
he's in the hands of the state and being repressed because he was found guilty of a particular nasty crime.
options
A) do your time show some remorse and try to better yourself
b) fight the power and rage at the injustice
which one do you think is going to get you free?
options
A) do your time show some remorse and try to better yourself
b) fight the power and rage at the injustice
which one do you think is going to get you free?
The notion that people are incapable of change is a frightening one.
Rather than joining in with the values of a Jerry Springer audience I'm looking at the assessment qualities of those who have been in contact with J.B.
On the one hand we have a social worker whose ethics are taken from yesterday's Daily Mail. While on the other we have a group of comrades who have been working with J.B. for years. In the middle of all this we have a vicious prison service, an uncaring state, some fat laywers and a single prisoner whose world view must be heavily laced by the dynamics of solitary confinement.
There are soldiers walking the streets of England now who have inflicted similar atrocities on other human beings. What gives me hope for human kind is that change is possible.
Rather than joining in with the values of a Jerry Springer audience I'm looking at the assessment qualities of those who have been in contact with J.B.
On the one hand we have a social worker whose ethics are taken from yesterday's Daily Mail. While on the other we have a group of comrades who have been working with J.B. for years. In the middle of all this we have a vicious prison service, an uncaring state, some fat laywers and a single prisoner whose world view must be heavily laced by the dynamics of solitary confinement.
There are soldiers walking the streets of England now who have inflicted similar atrocities on other human beings. What gives me hope for human kind is that change is possible.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
There are soldiers walking the streets of England now who have inflicted similar atrocities on other human beings. What gives me hope for human kind is that change is possible.[/QUOTE]
standard operating procedure get the enemy drunk then dismember them and keep there head as a trophy
NO I don't think so Bowden appears to be poor me the screws have got it in for me its so unfair.
consequences of your actions mate be a very nasty murderer expect to have to climb a very steep hill if you expect society to want to let you out
standard operating procedure get the enemy drunk then dismember them and keep there head as a trophy
NO I don't think so Bowden appears to be poor me the screws have got it in for me its so unfair.
consequences of your actions mate be a very nasty murderer expect to have to climb a very steep hill if you expect society to want to let you out
newbie
undisambiguated
likesfish said:
is that really the case, or is it simply that when the social worker report led to him being transferred from open to cat A prison he and his supporters made rather a lot of fuss.
Had anyone reading this thread ever heard of the guy prior to the social worker report? Had a different sw written a different report, with no mention of ABC or terrorism, he might be out on licence by now, living quietly down the street without his name and history plastered all over the internet, like plenty of others who've committed horrible crimes including his two co-accused.
The 'poor me' routine appears to be about the sw report. He's done his time for the crime... time in prison not in a psych hospital, which is where he's be if he hadn't recognised what he'd done and why he shouldn't have done it.
revol68
what, fucking what?
newbie said:
nah the poor me thing came long before when he was pimping his Prison Resistance pamphlets, he seems to have found in anarchism a means of coping with his crime, coming to understand it as an almost inevitable product of his years of brutalisation by the state and anti irish racism (i kid you fucking not!).
You are of course correct if John Bowden and the ABC had never got entangled with each other he'd probably be out on license trying to get on with his life, except instead of accepting responsibility for what he's done he seems to feel he was hard done by in his sentencing and thinks he should be given support for resisting his imprisonment, which might be understandable for a political prisoner or even a petty crook in for stealing or something but catches abit in your throat when some fucker whose been sent down for chopping a man up alive with an electric carving knife is giving it the big one about 'the systems brutality' or how being locked up again after his first esacpe attempt felt like 'dying'. Really has this cunt got no self awareness?
newbie
undisambiguated
you seem to be suggesting that politicisation has had a detrimental effect on him, that his way through life should have been to knuckle down, internalise all responsibility and accept what the system dealt him.
Is that a lesson for the rest of us or only for those who have some dreadful crime to atone?
Is that a lesson for the rest of us or only for those who have some dreadful crime to atone?
revol68
what, fucking what?
newbie said:
yes I would suggest he should thank himself lucky he's allowed to breath instead of whinging about the injustice of being locked up for carving a man alive in a bath of scalding hot water.
I suppouse if Ian Brady started kicking up a fuss about being locked up we;d all have to bust out the red n black banners and support his heroic struggle against the 'brutalising system'? Would we fuck!
untethered
For industry & decency
revol68 said:
Wasn't he brought up in care? Everyone knows that people like that go on to dismember helpless victims while they're still alive.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
what's ignorant about not feeling particular sympathy for a man who ocsitrated and enacted a brutal and mindless murder for their own personal gain?Attica said:
You're on a hiding to no where on this one.
The man is in jail not for his poltical belifes but because he killed someone and kept their head in the fucking fridge ... that's not healthy and however intelligent a person he might be and whatever his poltical persuasions the dude kept a mans head in the fucking fridge... can you at least see the perspective which might make this difficult for people to feel solidarity for him??
untethered
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revol68 said:yeah but he also suffered anti irish racism apparently.
We are all responsible.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
newbie said:
Bowden has been publishing articles for a long while, though admittedly its only this fuss, and the counter-fuss where several people actually found out what he did and have highlighted it and the minimization of the crime from ABC and the rest of his supporters (if not Bowden himself), that have brought him to any kind of prominence.
Also, as has been stated on most of the other Bowden threads, its questionable as to whether he has actually done his time - whilst in prison he has escaped (for eighteen months) and taken a hostage, in addition to his life sentence and other sentences handed down at the time of his sentencing for murder.
newbie
undisambiguated
likesfish said:
That's not the suggestion- he/his supporters are complaining about the way 'the system' is treating him now, towards the end of his sentence.
In 1982 the court sentenced him to 25 years for his crime, which he's done. As with any other prisoner, once he's served his sentence he's entitled to fair and reasonable treatment leading to (conditional) release. Isn't he?
Sfaics his supporters complaint is that he has been unreasonably treated very recently because he has become politicised.
There seems to be an attitude here that he should not have done so, that because his initial crime was so horrible he can have no political case to make, and that the way he has been treated very recently doesn't matter because of what he did 25 years ago.
tbh I find that slightly odd, and whilst, like revol, I think he's fortunate that the state didn't just kill him off as it would have done in texas, I do think he's as entitled as anyone else to reasonable treatment as he completes the sentence the court imposed.
untethered
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revol68 said:
Oh, well it was me then.
I'm English. I should take Mr Bowden's place in jail to atone for the crimes of the English against the Irish over many generations.
An apology would probably be in order, too.
untethered
For industry & decency
cantsin said:
What I do know about people being brought up in care is that most don't go on to brutally murder and dismember defenceless people and then claim that it was part of the reason why they did it.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
untethered said:
so you have never heard of clinical psychologists pointing again and again to causal links between the abuse / violence / poverty / oppression / deprivation often suffered as children by those who go on to commit similar crimes as adults ? that one is totally new to you is it ?
untethered
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revol68 said:
Wasn't the hostage an assistant governor? Very naughty.
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