John Bowden - latest news

[untethered]

I was hoping the ignorant boo boys would give it a rest.

Your problem with the critics of Mr Bowden is not that they are ignorant but that they are knowledgeable - despite the best efforts of you and your colleagues to cover up the truth about why Mr Bowden is in jail in the first place.

 

[untethered]

At what point do we stop judging people? Most of us have made big mistakes in our lives. Few of us remain fixated in that mind-set. People change. I've known soldiers who became bitterly ashamed of their earlier activities. At what point do we accept the opinions of fellow comrades (eco-terrorists?) who are actually in contact with this guy?

At the point when they actually acknowledge the magnitude of his crime, rather than seek to minimise it, perhaps?

 

[phildwyer]

I do not know what you are on about, there are so many of his supporters who are good pacifists. Anyway. Don't bother arguing. I do not want to know what you think.

But I want to tell you. I think Bowden should be released. I believe in redemption, and I think he is redeemed. The only thing that stops me supporting your campaign is the fact that advocates of Bowden's release beat up people who disagree with them. And the fact that you often resort to veiled threats yourself. I *despise* people who make threats of physical violence. Ask Red Jezza.

 

[agricola]

Oh great, another attention-seeking Bowden thread.

One of course notes that this "damning" report is not provided, and we only have Bowden's choice of quotes from it, if indeed they are accurate. Given the past history of Bowden's own writing, and those of his supporters (stupid, drunken murder being the best example), this is not a surprise.

 

[Frampton]

The soldiers I refer to also committed crimes of enormous magnitude. They too lived with the consequences of their acts a long way into the future. Again. People change.

 

[The Black Hand]

But I want to tell you. I think Bowden should be released. I believe in redemption, and I think he is redeemed. The only thing that stops me supporting your campaign is the fact that advocates of Bowden's release beat up people who disagree with them. And the fact that you often resort to veiled threats yourself. I *despise* people who make threats of physical violence. Ask Red Jezza.

Then that is not much to put you off supporting real people is it? It is not his fault, you are further victimising Bowden. You are banging on like 'they' are the Camorra FFS. As for my posts, you do need to learn the difference between literary flourish in virtual reality and real life. In real life the many supporters of John Bowden have been working for years and doing nothing violent. You are elevating a one off incident (with other factors involved) and creating something that it really wasn't.

 

[The Black Hand]

Oh great, another attention-seeking Bowden thread.

One of course notes that this "damning" report is not provided, and we only have Bowden's choice of quotes from it, if indeed they are accurate. Given the past history of Bowden's own writing, and those of his supporters (stupid, drunken murder being the best example), this is not a surprise.

Go home copper. We do not need your type round here.

 

[The Black Hand]

Your problem with the critics of Mr Bowden is not that they are ignorant but that they are knowledgeable - despite the best efforts of you and your colleagues to cover up the truth about why Mr Bowden is in jail in the first place.

i have made no efforts to cover up anything. I do despise keyboard warriors who are not part of the class struggle, who who think they have something to say based upon youthful zeal rather than the harsh realities of class struggle. Infact, most of you do not know what class struggle is, never mind take part in it

 

[butchersapron]

You're not helping in the slightest attica. Your silence would do more. Put your ego second for once.

 

[The Black Hand]

You're not helping in the slightest attica. Your silence would do more. Put your ego second for once.

Situation is completely fucked anyway pal, the young worms have poisoned the chalice.

 

[marty21]

Situation is completely fucked anyway pal, the young worms have poisoned the chalice.

this 42 year old doesn't agree with you either

 

[The Black Hand]

this 42 year old doesn't agree with you either

Do you have a point. We already knew that.

 

[untethered]

i have made no efforts to cover up anything. I do despise keyboard warriors who are not part of the class struggle, who who think they have something to say based upon youthful zeal rather than the harsh realities of class struggle. Infact, most of you do not know what class struggle is, never mind take part in it

You're right. I certainly don't take part in it, nor would I want to.

 

[marty21]

Do you have a point. We already knew that.

you seem to think that the only people who disagree with you are those with "youthful zeal" or are "young worms"

and i don't really understand, why a campaign to release a violent criminal is part of a class struggle, enlighten me

 

[cantsin]

the blokes done 25 yrs , is there any evidence that he doesnt feel remorse ? Quotes , links etc ? Would you lot prefer the death penalty ? Or how long should he stay inside ? Is it ok for Social worker pigs to fit him up with phoney terrorist accusations cos of his past crimes , for which he's served 25 yrs ?

 

[jæd]

It is not his fault, you are further victimising Bowden.

I wonder how one victimises a convicted tortutuer and murderer...?

Of all the sick threads I've seen on U75, this is one of the sickest...

 

[revol68]

the blokes done 25 yrs , is there any evidence that he doesnt feel remorse ? Quotes , links etc ? Would you lot prefer the death penalty ? Or how long should he stay inside ? Is it ok for Social worker pigs to fit him up with phoney terrorist accusations cos of his past crimes , for which he's served 25 yrs ?

Regardless of his fitness for release the issue is why the fuck anarchists wwould be supporting prisoners in for such crimes in the first place. John Bowden's political status is entirely circular, it would have been best for both the ABC and Bowden if they'd never got involved with each other in the first place.

 

[cantsin]

Regardless of his fitness for release the issue is why the fuck anarchists wwould be supporting prisoners in for such crimes in the first place. John Bowden's political status is entirely circular, it would have been best for both the ABC and Bowden if they'd never got involved with each other in the first place.

thanks , but doesnt answer a single one of my questions

 

[revol68]

thanks , but doesnt answer a single one of my questions

it might just hint at the reason why people don't think he should be getting political support from anarchists, no?

If Ian Huntley or Ian Brady discovered anarchism and became 'prison resisters' should anarchists support them? I'm sorry but some people deserve jail and worse, i've fuck all concern for the 'struggles' of some cunt in for a brutal sadistic murder or rape, as far as I'm concerned they made their bed and they can painfully rot in it for all I care.

 

[JHE]

is there any evidence that he doesnt feel remorse ?

Dunno. Is there any evidence that he DOES feel remorse?

It would be interesting to know more about his (current) view of his horrendous crime. The only impressions I have had of his attitudes have been that he feels hard done by.

His supporters like to play down what he did. (They prefer not to mention it.) Maybe he doesn't play it down. What can you tell us about him, Cantsin?



BTW, I'm not sure that someone who did what he did should EVER get out of prison, but if he is ever to be released on licence it should only be after the parole board is utterly convinced that he is a very fundamentally changed person who would NEVER go back to torturing people to death.

 

[purves grundy]

That bloke off Bullseye?

 

[cantsin]

Dunno. Is there any evidence that he DOES feel remorse?

It would be interesting to know more about his (current) view of his horrendous crime. The only impressions I have had of his attitudes have been that he feels hard done by.

His supporters like to play down what he did. (They prefer not to mention it.) Maybe he doesn't play it down. What can you tell us about him, Cantsin?



BTW, I'm not sure that someone who did what he did should EVER get out of prison, but if he is ever to be released on licence it should only be after the parole board is utterly convinced that he is a very fundamentally changed person who would NEVER go back to torturing people to death.

SO ? death penalty / whole life in prison ? for him / all murderers / or just specific murderers ? seems you're basically adopting a position to the right of the Tory party on this

 

[revol68]

SO ? death penalty / whole life in prison ? for him / all murderers / or just specific murderers ? seems you're basically adopting a position to the right of the Tory party on this

It wasn't your average moment of madness murder, he chopped someone up wit an electric carving knife whilst they were still alive and then kept the head in the fridge for two weeks.

People who commit those type of crimes fall off my 'giving two shits' radar.

 

[xenon]

Yeah. Great choice exemplifying the class struggle.

As some might say. With allies like this, etc...

 

[xenon]

As I said on a thread last year. The rather taylored reporting of this case by Indy media makes them and ABC look like a bunch of proppergandising slippery, spinning wankers.

Fuck all credibility in political terms. by all means, fight for Bowden's release if you must, on simple legal grounds. but weaving this into some wider political context is nyeve, utterly stupid and offensive.

 

[Yossarian]

As I said on a thread last year. The rather taylored reporting of this case by Indy media makes them and ABC look like a bunch of proppergandising slippery, spinning wankers.

Yeah, stuff like this just seems a bit weaselly:

More than a quarter of a Century ago, John Bowden, then a young man, who had already spent most of his life in the “care” of the State, committed what might be characterised as a ‘stupid, drunken, murder’. There was nothing even slightly political about this act, but it was neither premeditated nor committed for personal gain. It was, unfortunately, something which happens all too frequently when men quarrel while drunk. Particularly when they have been brutalised by, marginalised from, and pushed to the very edges of society.

I reckon a lot of Bowden supporters won't be quite so enthusiastic about the cause if turns out he needs a sofa to crash on for a few weeks after he gets out...

 

[revol68]

Yeah, stuff like this just seems a bit weaselly:

More than a quarter of a Century ago, John Bowden, then a young man, who had already spent most of his life in the “care” of the State, committed what might be characterised as a ‘stupid, drunken, murder’. There was nothing even slightly political about this act, but it was neither premeditated nor committed for personal gain. It was, unfortunately, something which happens all too frequently when men quarrel while drunk. Particularly when they have been brutalised by, marginalised from, and pushed to the very edges of society.

I reckon a lot of Bowden supporters won't be quite so enthusiastic about the cause if turns out he needs a sofa to crash on for a few weeks after he gets out...

If he said he was just going to run a bath...

 

[phildwyer]

For all my revulsion from the methods employed by some of his supporters, I do think he should be released. It is sad to see people who consider themselves on the Left spouting the law'n'order, 'criminals are evil' cliches of the state.

 

[revol68]

It is sad to see people who consider themselves on the Left spouting the law'n'order, 'criminals are evil' cliches of the state.

I don't think the attitude that people guilty of such sadistic acts as John Bowden carried out are scum is reserved for the 'state' or the 'right wing'.
I'm sorry if my communism doesn't extend to the welfare concerns of brutal murderers, then again I don't mistake communism for christianity.

 

[Yossarian]

Bowden's done his time so I guess there's no reason he shouldn't be let out but given his apparent tendency to blame everybody except John Bowden for the murder I'm not surprised the parole board's dithering.