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[derf]

Child abuse.

My kid was always after the iron. I knew she would hurt herself if she ever managed to get it. I was always telling her but she refused to listen.
A very mild smack on her leg shocked her and she has never tried again.
After a little crying session she calmed down and came over to me for a hug. She knew she had done 'naughty' and wanted a cuddle so she knew I wasn't angry.

What is the greater abuse. allowing her to continue with likely harm or stopping her with very mild force?

Same goes for other bad behaviour. Early correction with a mild smack as a last resort can solve a lot of later life problems. Same goes for the cane at school.
Kept a lot of people out of trouble.
See what has happened now that option has gone.

Left wing idealism has caused many of the problems we see in UK society today.

 

[Gavin Bl]

I don't personally have that much of a problem with the argument that a certain type of murderer deserves death - but for me at least, this view that there are people who 'deserve it', is always undermined by the chance that it is the wrong person.

I've generally been in favour of the death penalty, but lately, I've been giving it second thoughts.

Watched a movie last week called Crime of the Century. It's about the killing of the Lindberg baby, and the subsequent framing and execution of a German immigrant. The execution scene is harrowing, imo. It makes you think.

Have you seen '14 Days in May'?

 

[dylans]

My kid was always after the iron. I knew she would hurt herself if she ever managed to get it. I was always telling her but she refused to listen.
A very mild smack on her leg shocked her and she has never tried again.
After a little crying session she calmed down and came over to me for a hug. She knew she had done 'naughty' and wanted a cuddle so she knew I wasn't angry.

What is the greater abuse. allowing her to continue with likely harm or stopping her with very mild force?

Same goes for other bad behaviour. Early correction with a mild smack as a last resort can solve a lot of later life problems. Same goes for the cane at school.
Kept a lot of people out of trouble.
See what has happened now that option has gone.

Left wing idealism has caused many of the problems we see in UK society today.

I have never hit my child. Not once, and frankly, I would be utterly ashamed of myself if ever I did. He is 10 years old and I couldn't hope for a more considerate and thoughtful kid.

People lose their rags and do things they shouldn't, I understand that, but this kind of intellectualising of abuse is offensive and disgusting. There is no such thing as mild violence from an adult to a child. It's abuse and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Listen to yourself, Do you really want to argue that you think beating your child is the only way to teach her a personal safety lesson? There is, in your opinion, no better or more suitable way for you to give this child, who you love, this message? That's what you are saying?

You can honestly think of no better method to teach your child not to touch the iron but to beat her? Sounds like a crass lack of imagination frankly.

How about this.
Try keepiing the fucking iron away from your kid until she reaches an age when she understands not to touch it without you having to beat the message into her.

Supervise her until she gets it. Then, when you teach her it's dangerous she will get it. I promise, she will. While you're at it apologise to your kid for hitting her and promise yourself you will never do it again. If she pisses you off, take away her sweets. Hitting children is abuse, stop it.

All beating a child does is teach blind obedience through fear. It also teaches that violence is an appropriate solution to problems. Iv'e always tried to teach my kid to THINK for himself and to see the consequences of his actions for himself and others and I have done it without threat or violence. You know what? He's a great kid.

What is this rightwing bullshit, you don't hit or hurt the one you love. You teach them with love, or in my kids case this evening, take away Samurai Warriors till he gets the message.

 

[Yossarian]

But it's the way society is going that is allowing these people to think they can do as they wish.
Not allowed to smack a child.
Not allowed to punish a kid in school do expelling them is the only course left open.
Not allowed to beat the living crap out of some bastard who has just broken in your home.
These cunts think they can get away with anything and so behave that way.

Daft leftie ideas in society is the problem.

When will these people learn that violence is the only solution?

Only going on what happened to me.
I had a job to do in a gay pub in Leeds and had many verbal assaults while I was there. I refused to continue and left.
The second occasion was in a pub in Pontefract. I was servicing a machine when the landlord tried to open my zip and made actions as if he was having oral sex.
I beat the merry shit out of the bastard and left him on the floor.

 

[Azrael]

It boils down to the legal or non-legal definition of murder. In non-legal terms, the death penalty is state-sanctioned murder. It's knowingly taking someone's life.

The dictionary definition, too. Murder is a specific type of killing. If it becomes any type of killing you don't like, it's meaningless.

Going down for a few years for armed robbery or unprovoked assault means the perpetrator has a chance of coming out and resuming a normal life.

Just like the many murderers, here and in the USA, who get out after 20 years or so.

Criminals besides murderers are imprisoned for life. As the law currently operates, the sentence for murder is qualitatively indistinct from that imposed for other crimes. Even if it was only murderers who were gaoled for life, it's only a matter of degree, albeit a brutal one.

But if someone in for life has been on the end of a miscarriage of justice (as in the Birmingham Six/Winston Silcott cases etc.) they can come out as free men. I appreciate that miscarriages of justice are probably not the norm, but there is always that chance of someone serving a long-term sentence for murder being proved innocent or having the charge reduced, and if they've been executed it's too late.

A murderer convicted after jury trial is far likely to be guilty than a civilian slaughtered by accident in war. Unless you're a pacifist, the risk of taking innocent life can't be an absolute bar on a policy. Even if you are a pacifist, locking people up until they die will inevitably drive some to suicide, like Harold Shipman. There's no clean and perfect answer to this question.