Joe Satriani

[GarfieldLeChat]

Ah right, so people who don't like it are being snobbish?

Yeh, that makes sense

it's not a question of taste is it though it's a question of which album is good for learning the technique.

do you equally find instruction manuals snobbish perhaps you find traffic lights snobbish too...

actualy scratch that dub you proably do...

cunting cunts telling me how to set up their product with my computer fuck em the cocking thing doesn't work anyway....

have you tried plugging it in?

you cunting cunt cunt how dare you attempt to lord it over me cunt cunt cunt....

see name change but still the same shit underneith you really are the crap rail francise of urban...

 

[Limejuice]

Anyone interested in learning Satriani techniques (whether or not you're a fan of his music) could do a lot worse than pick up a soft-cover tutor called Joe Satriani Guitar Secrets. It's published by Cherry Lane Music, ISBN 089524-738-0.

Basically it's a collection of tutorials Satriani did for Guitar Magazine, published between 1987 and 1990. Many are exercises, some are musical theory.

The handiest lessons for me were the two- and three-octave fingering scales for the main seven modes, and introductions to Gypsy, Hungarian and Hindu scales.

Basically, you get to cover the fretboard.

Just my tuppence-worth.

 

[marksims68]

Anyone interested in learning Satriani techniques (whether or not you're a fan of his music) could do a lot worse than pick up a soft-cover tutor called Joe Satriani Guitar Secrets. It's published by Cherry Lane Music, ISBN 089524-738-0.

Basically it's a collection of tutorials Satriani did for Guitar Magazine, published between 1987 and 1990. Many are exercises, some are musical theory.

The handiest lessons for me were the two- and three-octave fingering scales for the main seven modes, and introductions to Gypsy, Hungarian and Hindu scales.

Basically, you get to cover the fretboard.

Just my tuppence-worth.

A GYPSY scale????

I have enough problems with the good ol' 'tonic.

 

[El Jefe]

See, despite the criticisms or otherwise, it was all very good natured until pk and Garf came to stink up the thread. How very typical - how very sad.

 

[chazegee]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Vml7SwxXTI&feature=related

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

See, despite the criticisms or otherwise, it was all very good natured until pk and Garf came to stink up the thread. How very typical - how very sad.

or more typical that the fatious bullying coward suddenly doesn't like it when his own flaws are pointed out to him, and then bemoans the fact that others have dared too do so. It's not sad it's immature really dub, shame that with the name change you didn't grow up a touch too, you could really do with it on here... you really could...

 

[rutabowa]

it's not a question of taste is it though it's a question of which album is good for learning the technique.

do you equally find instruction manuals snobbish perhaps you find traffic lights snobbish too...

actualy scratch that dub you proably do...

cunting cunts telling me how to set up their product with my computer fuck em the cocking thing doesn't work anyway....

have you tried plugging it in?

you cunting cunt cunt how dare you attempt to lord it over me cunt cunt cunt....

see name change but still the same shit underneith you really are the crap rail francise of urban...

well my point (and i believe i was the 1st person on the thread to start insulting joe satriani's music even though everyone seemed to ignore me for some reason) would be that trying to learn his techniques is a bit like a motorcyclist trying to learn the Wheel Of Death to improve his road skills (ie not very useful at all). in the interests of fairness i listened to a track of his at work yesterday to see if they were like i remember, i had to turn it off cos the other people in the office were like "are you ok?"

 

[CharlieAddict]

well...cos of this thread i downloaded joe satriani's 'strange beautiful music' and was surprised that some of the tracks are well bluesy.

not bad guitar music - the man has evolved - no more gimmicky overworked guitar hero 1980s bollocks.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

well my point (and i believe i was the 1st person on the thread to start insulting joe satriani's music even though everyone seemed to ignore me for some reason) would be that trying to learn his techniques is a bit like a motorcyclist trying to learn the Wheel Of Death to improve his road skills (ie not very useful at all). in the interests of fairness i listened to a track of his at work yesterday to see if they were like i remember, i had to turn it off cos the other people in the office were like "are you ok?"

you giving steve via another go today

it's true however if you were to say go on a track and race then that would improve your orad drving skills, it could be equated to that.

didn't vai or satriani uses loops and samples as well as actual playing.... from memory...

 

[Limejuice]

A GYPSY scale????

I have enough problems with the good ol' 'tonic.

Yup - it's a minor scale with the formula: 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 7

There's also a Spanish Gypsy scale with a natural 4th and flattened 7th. Here are some wierd scales. Don't even bother soloing them when playing with your mates. The first thing they says is, "Oi, yer out of tune, yer twat!"

http://www.jazzguitar.be/exotic_guitar_scales.html

For completeness, though, check out the range of modes available. You only need to be able to play a few fluently.

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php

 

[rorymac]

well my point (and i believe i was the 1st person on the thread to start insulting joe satriani's music even though everyone seemed to ignore me for some reason) would be that trying to learn his techniques is a bit like a motorcyclist trying to learn the Wheel Of Death to improve his road skills "

In the interest of fairness !

 

[SpookyFrank]

I love guitar music but Malmsteen,Vai and Satriani leave me cold.They remind me of wanky kids I knew who spent 10 hours a day learning pentatonic scales and seeing who was the fastest.I admit they were pretty fast,but give them a song to play along to and they couldn't keep time for shit.

^this. And these fretwanking types seldom understand the fact that for a melody to get through to anyone it has to be simple yet well crafted. A random assortment of superfast modal scale runs may be impressive on a purely logistical level but show me someone who chooses to listen to such things for recreational purposes and I'll show you someone with brain damage.

 

[rutabowa]

it's true however if you were to say go on a track and race then that would improve your orad drving skills, it could be equated to that.

mm i kind of think my metaphor works better. because the techniques joe satriani uses are totally different to anything that could be used to make good music, it's like a cul-de-sac, it's not helping improve yr normal guitar playing it's just like learnign another (novelty) instrument.

....imo!! of course

 

[chriswill]

People have differing opinions shocker!!


What is the world coming to.

 

[dodgepot]

s'crazy. and i didn't know that saying you don't like something makes you a snob.

 

[damnhippie]

guitar solos really piss people off, no?

 

[lights.out.london]

Erm. I kinda wished I ahdn't bothered with this thread. Lmao. As someone pointed out, I was asking for a recommendation in order to improve my playing.

Anyways.

I listened to the album three times last night: twice to share with the neighbours and once on the headphones. Each time I heard something new.

Sure. It's dated. The FX sound very 1987, very processed (think Whitesnake, Judas Priest a la Turbo). But I lay on the sofa thinking about how or where he did that on the fret board. I got one new scale out of it, and I could play that in my head before picked up the guitar. Not bad for £8 and three listens.

I don't buy the 'Wall of Death' analogy ^ ... Que? I'm an average guitarist (if that) but I do have an 'ear' for a catchy riff or tune. How can listening to a master be a bad thing?

I'm secure in my punk rock 'n' roll credentials, even after sullying my ears with Satriani.

The guy is a genius. Whether one likes the tunes or not, is wholly irelevant. I loath Wagner, but don't deny his talent.

 

[MooChild]

I always preferred Randy Rhoads, but seeing as he died in '82 things have moved on a bit since then.

For technique, vai / satriani & malmsteen are all good*

*good meaning technically good souless fret wankery*

As long as you don't lose sight of the fact that when you play, you are supposed to be playing a song.

Also, have a listen to Al Di'Meola (Friday night in San Francisco is a good live recording).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

mm i kind of think my metaphor works better. because the techniques joe satriani uses are totally different to anything that could be used to make good music, it's like a cul-de-sac, it's not helping improve yr normal guitar playing it's just like learnign another (novelty) instrument.

....imo!! of course

I dunno you could loop em and sample them time stech warp mix fold spindle multilate etc....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

mm i kind of think my metaphor works better. because the techniques joe satriani uses are totally different to anything that could be used to make good music, it's like a cul-de-sac, it's not helping improve yr normal guitar playing it's just like learnign another (novelty) instrument.

....imo!! of course

for your playing however my old bassist learned to play by only listening to RHCP and imitating flea, and as a result of that studioious deication is still one of the best bassists i have heard, is it that he intrinsicall understands music like maths or was it thrashing around with head phones on listening to chillies... proably a bit of both. however, if we were to look at the classical school are you saying there's no point in concert pianists learning any old classsics aren't of the modern fashion or commonly used techniques in every day playing?

listening to the music will teach you something and if you are that way inclined give you inspiration or promote you to move beyond your current skills...

I used to loath classical music but it didn't half help me learn scales for example...

so i do think you are being closed focuased on this.

music even bad music will influence you evne if it's only to say i never ever want to sound like that...

ergo it must also influence your playing...

 

[rutabowa]

so i do think you are being closed focuased on this.

music even bad music will influence you evne if it's only to say i never ever want to sound like that...

ergo it must also influence your playing...

mm well i am not going to sit through a whole load of things i know i don't like just so i can say at the end of it "good well i don't want to sound like that"!! but yes i am sure i am a bit close minded, and definitely limited, but i don't mind that right now

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

mm well i am not going to sit through a whole load of things i know i don't like just so i can say at the end of it "good well i don't want to sound like that"!! but yes i am sure i am a bit close minded, and definitely limited, but i don't mind that right now

true i'd never sit through opera for similar reasons...

limitig ones self in order to refine the process is fine but surely with all things creative the imposition of limits is artifical... how can you reach that high point if you won't be adventurious in what you are doign first of all and there has to be a few fuck up's along the way in order to tell you what you don't want...

 

[rutabowa]

yeh probably i just wanted to have a pop at joe satriani though

 

[Superdupastupor]

true i'd never sit through opera for similar reasons...

limitig ones self in order to refine the process is fine but surely with all things creative the imposition of limits is artifical... how can you reach that high point if you won't be adventurious in what you are doign first of all and there has to be a few fuck up's along the way in order to tell you what you don't want...

Operas are amazing and breath-taking anyone who considers themselves a lover of music could not fail to be blown away by it. The sound is massive ( not loud) massive it fills everything.
mind I wouldn't go if I wasn't able to get free tickets. Bloody expensive

 

[El Jefe]

Operas are amazing and breath-taking anyone who considers themselves a lover of music could not fail to be blown away by it.

What a silly thing to say.

I'm a lover of music and I've almost always failed to be blown away by opera.

Daft generalisations rarely if ever help prove points.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

yeh probably i just wanted to have a pop at joe satriani though

fairy nuff but that's not what the thread was about tho innit...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Operas are amazing and breath-taking anyone who considers themselves a lover of music could not fail to be blown away by it. The sound is massive ( not loud) massive it fills everything.
mind I wouldn't go if I wasn't able to get free tickets. Bloody expensive

i think i have seen pretty much all the opera i ever ever need to see thanks.

doens't float my boat. regardless of the skill involved which is what somepeople are saying about satriani here either way it's not really relevant to the OP is it?

who wanted to know if there were...

Any fans who can recommend me an album to try to give my guitar playing a kick to a new/another level?

 

[rutabowa]

the day i start only directly answering the ops here is the day i stop posting!

 

[kained&able]

Ohh joe striani is kinda cool. Surfing with the alien is the only album i can listen too.

My favorite song of his though is you saved my life. Really beautiful piece and very simple by his standards it sounds like a song rather then just mad shredding.

dave

 

[Superdupastupor]

Ye okay sorry for the genralisation.
What I mean is that I did not go into the experience expecting much but left feeling I had gained something from it.
It might be to do with my interests in acoustics and sound eng.