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Joe Calzaghe vs Roy Jones

Agree Dexter. I tell ya one thing, this will be a tougher fight than B-Hop. Calzaghe leaves his chin exposed when he throws punches, if RJj can use even some of the lateral movement which made him great Calzaghe will miss all night with anything decent and RJJ has both the left hook and straight right for Joe to worry about.

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1927 said:
You mean like a unification bout?

As number stsarted the other one I think that makes it the WBC thread, whereas this late interloper is more like the IBF
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Christ, it's getting close! This thread may not be the Tocker Pudwill I originally thought it to be :eek:
 
internetstalker said:
Not in my opinion

Larry Holmes was a good fighter, but I'd never ragard him as one of the best pound for pound fighters.

although a good shout I always feel a pfp fighter always has to of fought at several different weight classes, something that can hardly be done for a natural heavy weight like Holmes
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I agree about Larry Holmes. Good in his weight class but I wouldn't call him a great pfp fighter.

Tommy 'The Hitman' Hearns, on the other hand, was an amazing pfp fighter, IMHO.
 
lol @ thread wars :D

As for Larry Holmes, pfft! p4p not a hope mate, he was good in an average era and as he reached the 48-0 mark looking for Rocky's record he was hand picking boxers he thought he'd moider.. in the fight before Spinks he only edged Truth Williams.

After Spinks if anyone remembers, when asked he said "Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap!" + went on to say the judges were incompetent drunks. And although I thought he could have edged both Spinks fights he lost I reckon he definitely should have won the 2nd, but he'd shot himself in the foot with his comments.

+ he was lucky to get the decision over both Witherspoon & Norton too.

Anyway, I'll be on the other thread :p
 
well...i still rate larry holmes.
and felt for him during his bout against tyson.
how he got his hand trapped against the ropes - so unlucky...and it was such a sad moment (for me anyway) in boxing...
 
Numbers said:
lol @ thread wars :D

As for Larry Holmes, pfft! p4p not a hope mate, he was good in an average era and as he reached the 48-0 mark looking for Rocky's record he was hand picking boxers he thought he'd moider.. in the fight before Spinks he only edged Truth Williams.

After Spinks if anyone remembers, when asked he said "Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap!" + went on to say the judges were incompetent drunks. And although I thought he could have edged both Spinks fights he lost I reckon he definitely should have won the 2nd, but he'd shot himself in the foot with his comments.

+ he was lucky to get the decision over both Witherspoon & Norton too.

Anyway, I'll be on the other thread :p
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your boxing knowledge knows no bounds!!
 
Numbers said:
There'll always be debate about Calzaghe's legend status cos quite simply he hasn't fought in legends in their prime, shame really.

He's a great boxer imo, but I would never consider him a legend as such.
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I would
Roy Jones was at Light heavy when he and Joe were at their prime
Bernard Hopkins never fought at Super Middle
Anyway hes now beaten Hopkins and will hopefully beat Jones
 
Nigel Irritable said:
It's as much his fault (or the fault of his management and promoters) as it is theirs.

He was a money making machine, staying put at home with one version of the world title, beating up second or third tier opponents in front of big home audiences. All fighters claim that they were being ducked and blame their opponents for fights not happening. The fact is that Calzaghe and the people around him made a shit load of money and took very few risks. He wasn't a particularly attractive opponent for the likes of Jones, but it wasn't as if Hopkins was a huge marquee name for much of this period. He was an unattractive fight for them, sure, but the top guys equally carried an unattractive risk to reward for Calzaghe too.

He was always good, but we will never know how good because he never fought the best at his own best.
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Ive never understood this point of view
Calzaghe basically fought who was put in front of him-Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins were either fighting at different weights or retired at the time
Calzaghe is undisputed Super-Middleweight undefeated Champion (45-0)-surely it was up to them to come to him-American or not?
 
Been watching the build up on Setanta.

Calzaghe is the absolute Don. I don't like his slaps and sometimes his straight look a bit pitter patter. But his footwork, defence, hand speed, pivots, chin, sneaky fouls...

First class.
 
Relahni said:
Been watching the build up on Setanta.

Calzaghe is the absolute Don. I don't like his slaps and sometimes his straight look a bit pitter patter. But his footwork, defence, hand speed, pivots, chin, sneaky fouls...

First class.
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i have decided he is going to lose though :(
 
Relahni said:
Been watching the build up on Setanta.

Calzaghe is the absolute Don. I don't like his slaps and sometimes his straight look a bit pitter patter. But his footwork, defence, hand speed, pivots, chin, sneaky fouls...

First class.
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agreed, he's just amazing to watch. a very exciting fighter and technically superb (except when he drops his hands)
 
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Karac said:
I would
Roy Jones was at Light heavy when he and Joe were at their prime
Bernard Hopkins never fought at Super Middle
Anyway hes now beaten Hopkins and will hopefully beat Jones
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I personally think that purely by being a champ for over 10 years, then unifying all the titles beating 2 undefeated champions at super middle weight. going up to light heavy, beating the linear/ring champion. is doing enough to be regarded as a legend.
 
Numbers said:
Hmmm... I've been thinking the same to be honest! 1st or 2nd rd KO, max 4 or 5. It's kind of on the cards.

:(
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My prediction was Calzaghe on points

but I do have this horrible feeling that Jones will end Calzaghe's unbeaten run (it'd be on points tho)

sport often has a funny way of doing the unexpected IYSWIM
 
Karac said:
I would
Roy Jones was at Light heavy when he and Joe were at their prime
Bernard Hopkins never fought at Super Middle
Anyway hes now beaten Hopkins and will hopefully beat Jones
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When B-Hop and RJJ fought in 93 it was at 159. In 96 RJJ was disqualified against Montell Griffin at 168 (then KO'd him in the rematch 5 months later). In 97 Calzaghe beat Eubank at 168 and B-Hop beat Glen Johnson at 160. In 99 RJJ fought Reggie Johnson at 171 and in 06 he beat Tarver at 174 and in 07 at 170.

My point being. They may not have campaigned at the same weight but from the mid 90's all 3 were campaigning around the same weight, well... at least they could have made a catch weight or something.
 
internetstalker said:
I personally think that purely by being a champ for over 10 years, then unifying all the titles beating 2 undefeated champions at super middle weight. going up to light heavy, beating the linear/ring champion. is doing enough to be regarded as a legend.
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A great fighter yes, a legend only sort of. There will always be question marks, always ammo to disagree.
 
Jones Can Upset Calzaghe - Froch

The Cobra said:
It is still Roy Jones Jnr we are talking about. If he can pull back at least 50 percent of his old skill and that magic he used to have Calzaghe will be in a lot of trouble. It's an interesting fight because I think that Calzaghe is past his best as well. He struggled against Hopkins.

I'm not impressed by his work in his last couple of fights. I think he has struggled. That fight was close and I felt the judge that gave it to Hopkins was the correct judge. It's still a decent enough fight for the fans though as you've got an old legend fighting against someone who is looking to hang the gloves up so it's one that I'm definitely going to be watching with interest.

Everyone knows I've been trying to get a fight with Calzaghe for the past 18 months. I'd be the WBC champion. We'd both be unbeaten and what better way for him to end it that a fight against a young gun coming through who is now at the very top of his game? It's a fight people want to see.

Honestly it's all people talk about when I walk around Nottingham. It's the first question they ask. It's a massive, massive fight going back to the Benn and Eubank days. It's on that type of scale.

If you have read something saying that Mick says he has put down a £5million offer for me to fight Calzaghe then he has obviously sat down with the TV companies and discussed it. Nothing has been made totally official at this stage but the conversation has taken place and it's all about getting the finances in place to make this fight happen.

A fight between me and Calzaghe would definitely generate massive revenue. Gate receipts alone would be huge. Then you have got the TV revenue coming in. All the advertising on top of that.

You know it's realistic, a £5million offer. Although it's not been put down on paper yet it's a genuine offer that he worked out and will hopefully be put to Calzaghe after he does his job against Roy Jones.
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What do yas reckon on that then?
 
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