Jobs you wouldn't do on principle?

[miss direct]

Sales. Just couldn't do it. I don't mean working in a shop, I mean cold calling annoying ones.

 

[quimcunx]

anything that involves me telling people to believe in God.

Any sort of sales job, where I would need to use unsavoury tactics to get sales.

Tax Accountant.

 

[El Jefe]

Do you have any other hang ups in this regard? For example:

* A house sold as a result of a divorce
* A house sold as a result of other difficult circumstances
* A house somebody has died in
* A house that has seen violence, whether it be domestic violence or murder?

Not the same thing at all, IMO

 

[kabbes]

Not the same thing at all, IMO

As you wish. Whatever you say. Not the same thing in any way. No siree.

 

[Badgers]

Sales. Just couldn't do it. I don't mean working in a shop, I mean cold calling annoying ones.

I do a bit of selling in my job, mostly over the phone.

It is annoying at times but I just have my own approach. Also mine is B2B which is good as I agree that cold calls straight to me are annoying.

 

[poster342002]

Any sort of managerial position. There's no way I will take on a job that involves fucking over other workers on behalf of the employer.

Nor would I be a:

debt-collector

HR officer

rubbishbin stasi officer

TV-license detective

council rent-chasing officer

or any other type of officious clipboard-wielding shitbag. Despite the cod-left considering these types to be the new vanguard of the proletariat.

 

[kabbes]

Any sort of managerial position. There's no way I will take on a job that involves fucking over other workers on behalf of the employer.

That's right. That's exactly what being a manager is all about. That's what I signed up for alright -- it's right there on my contract and everything.

 

[El Jefe]

As you wish. Whatever you say. Not the same thing in any way. No siree.

if a house has been repo-ed, that householder is fucked financially. They lose their home.

As awful as death / divorce whatever may be, and however hard it might be to part with a home, that's NOT the key factor in the situation and the house remains theirs to sell, in some sense.

 

[Badgers]

Agree with el jefe about repo man/debt collector. That would be grim.

Tough call.

Previously I provided a service a company requested.
They refused to pay
I had to pursue the debt through a solicitor
He then counter claimed against me for 'lost earnings and expenses' 5x the amount I had invoiced him.
I had to spend a lot of my time (kept away from other work) preparing for court.

Went to court (another lost days earnings)
It took no time at all for the court to dismiss his claim and insist he pay my invoice in full.

Finally got my cash a year after payment was due.

If a bailiff had entered his premises to obtain money that was due but he did not want to pay me I would have not lost a moments sleep.

 

[Badgers]

That's right. That's exactly what being a manager is all about. That's what I signed up for alright -- it's right there on my contract and everything.

Good reply ^ ^

I have managed a team before and spent a lot of time ensuring they were being treated fairly from above. I insisted that they treated me fairly and did not take the piss.

We all got on fine

Perhaps I should have been meaner or something?

 

[Mallard]

Do you have any other hang ups in this regard? For example:

* A house sold as a result of a divorce
* A house sold as a result of other difficult circumstances
* A house somebody has died in
* A house that has seen violence, whether it be domestic violence or murder?

None of the above really. I wouldn't call avoiding repo'd houses a 'hang up' myself.

 

[crustychick]

there are so many jobs I wouldn't do because of my principles. but that's because I'm in a fortunate position of being currently employed in the industry of my choice - which I have chosen specifically because of my principles.

in the industry however, there are many many companies which I also wouldnt' work for because of my ethics and I chose the company that I work for because of their impeccable ethics. which is nice. this may change if we ever get bought by a large investment bank

 

[kabbes]

if a house has been repo-ed, that householder is fucked financially. They lose their home.

As awful as death / divorce whatever may be, and however hard it might be to part with a home, that's NOT the key factor in the situation and the house remains theirs to sell, in some sense.

Friend of mine just bought a house that came on the market as a result of a divorce. It was horrible. He had to deal with both sides of the marriage, one of whom had a kid and really, really didn't want to lose her family home and the other of whom was clearly enormously bitter -- he certainly blamed her for the break down of the marriage. He also had to witness the kid not understanding why he had to move to a smaller house, away from daddy.

It may not be as bad as somebody losing their home through financial difficulty but the general impact is just the same.

On the plus side, when he moved in, he did find some home-made porn accidentally left behind in one of the cupboards. So it wasn't all bad.

 

[Mallard]

Good reply ^ ^

I have managed a team before and spent a lot of time ensuring they were being treated fairly from above. I insisted that they treated me fairly and did not take the piss.

We all got on fine

Perhaps I should have been meaner or something?

What about people who work in 'Human Resources' and their job entails making savings, downsizing and screwing over unions and their members?

 

[Badgers]

What about people who work in 'Human Resources' and their job entails making savings, downsizing and screwing over unions and their members?

You think that all decisions to downsize staff are instigated by HR people?

 

[crustychick]

Any sort of managerial position. There's no way I will take on a job that involves fucking over other workers on behalf of the employer.

Nor would I be a:

debt-collector
HR officer
rubbishbin stasi officer
TV-license detective
council rent-chasing officer

or any other type of officious clipboard-wielding shitbag. Despite the cod-left considering these types to be the new vanguard of the proletariat.

I could never ever imagine having to be a traffic warden (or whatever they are called these days), with their fucking digital camera parking infringment fucking evidence. they are evil.

 

[Mallard]

You think that all decisions to downsize staff are instigated by HR people?

Obviously not but it is often their job to see it through/implement it. Not making the decisions is not a reason to always implement them. If I'm being honest it's not a job I would do.

 

[Orang Utan]

The media, especially telly

 

[poster342002]

What about people who work in 'Human Resources' and their job entails making savings, downsizing and screwing over unions and their members?

Not to mention backing up the bullying manager over "their" staff when they make a complaint. And conducting "full and thoroughgoing investigations" which "find no evidence" of bullying.

 

[Badgers]

Obviously not but it is often their job to see it through/implement it. Not making the decisions is not a reason to always implement them. If I'm being honest it's not a job I would do.

Fair play... Just can't see how 'principle' comes into it?

I have also had good support from HR staff.
They are generally the bearers of bad news but somebody has to be.
I am still in touch with one HR lady that delivered the news my contract was terminated. Not her fault, just piss poor management of a large project.

Could you be a doctor and tell someone they had cancer?

 

[Badgers]

Not to mention backing up the bullying manager over "their" staff when they make a complaint. And conducting "full and thoroughgoing investigations" which "find no evidence" of bullying.

(not trying to be the hero of HR here or anything)

I have seen this happen and I have also seen the opposite happen.

 

[Pingu]

Well done! Care to elaborate?

#
not yet - I am still there for 3 months and want to be paid for it

 

[poster342002]

Could you be a doctor and tell someone they had cancer?

If the doctor concerned was taking a perverse delight in delivering that diagnosis, and trying to prevent the patient from getting effective treatment, the analogy would hold up better.

 

[Cloo]

No matter how pissed off I got with not getting a job post uni, I never for one moment considered any of those 'media sales' jobs all over the Grauniad media/graduate section. Long hours of flogging ad space for minimal reward - you could just see the ad people thinking 'Ah, don't worry, after a while all these arts grads will come running to us because they can't get a break in the media mwahahaha!'

 

[kabbes]

Not to mention backing up the bullying manager over "their" staff when they make a complaint. And conducting "full and thoroughgoing investigations" which "find no evidence" of bullying.

Dude, just accept it -- you were a shitty employee and you got your come-uppance.

 

[quimcunx]

Arms Trade!

I'm having trouble thinking what my principles are today. It is Friday I suppose.

 

[poster342002]

Dude, just accept it -- you were a shitty employee and you got your come-uppance.

Oh really? Me and everyone else who's experienced this sort of thing?

Well done - you're demonstrating exactly the sort of bog-standard "it MUST be the employee's fault" HR/management attitude that you're simultaneously trying to deny exists.

 

[kabbes]

No, I am displaying a "it MUST be poster342002's fault" attutude. Because if you are 1% as chip-on-your-shoulder at work as you are here, I'd want to fire you too.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh really? Me and everyone else who's experienced this sort of thing?

Well done - you're demonstrating exactly the sort of bog-standard "it MUST be the employee's fault" HR/management attitude that you're simultaneously trying to deny exists.

I bet you were rubbish

 

[Badgers]

If the doctor concerned was taking a perverse delight in delivering that diagnosis, and trying to prevent the patient from getting effective treatment, the analogy would hold up better.

I stand corrected.
Doctors make people miserable!